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RE: Any user testing of WCAG 2.1 at CSUN

From: Jonathan Avila <jon.avila@levelaccess.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 19:36:45 +0000
To: ALAN SMITH <alands289@gmail.com>, Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com>, WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
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Ø  real world with real users and in person present what is planned and find out if it will actually work for real users with disabilities

Alan, I would add that most of the low vision task force is comprised of people with visual impairments.  The work we did was to first document the user needs and then create success criteria on those.  Not all issues were addressed but I feel confident that the criteria that did make it in will have a benefit to users with low vision.  Yes, there is more to do – but for me and many of us the past few years was not some theoretical discussion of what might be useful but was based on research papers, personal experience, and the work that we have done with users over the years.  I can’t speak for the others in the TF or other  task forces but in general the criteria increase support at some level.   Sometimes we would like to have seen more depth or additional criteria but this is an iterative release and so all issues could not be addressed.


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From: ALAN SMITH [mailto:alands289@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 9:00 AM
To: Alastair Campbell; WCAG
Subject: RE: Any user testing of WCAG 2.1 at CSUN


I appreciate your reply.

The What:
I thought: CSUN is a captive audience and this would be a great way to have WCAG get out into the real world with real users and in person present what is planned and find out if it will actually work for real users with diabilities.

The How:
I had not thought about the howt. I figured it was something that should have been planned by WCAG.

After I sent this query originally to another email list, I did find  that David MacDonald is doing something like this with a presentation on Wednesday at 9:00 am.


Alan Smith

From: Alastair Campbell<mailto:acampbell@nomensa.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 8:17 AM
To: ALAN SMITH<mailto:alands289@gmail.com>; WCAG<mailto:w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Subject: Re: Any user testing of WCAG 2.1 at CSUN

Hi Alan,

>  is there any effort to have actual users with disabilities who may be attending CSUN queried on whether the new SCs in WCAG 2.1 will in fact meet the needs of those they are intended for?

I suspect that no site will ‘meet the needs’ of everyone, it would be a case of how much does it improve the access & experience for people with particular needs.

Therefore there are two possible approaches to this question:

  1.  Research into what change the success criteria have made to websites, and what difference that makes to people (difficult before sites start updating to meet them).
  2.  Demos of what impact the changes based on meeting the success criteria have.

The second approach (demos) is a lot easier to do, in revising our site I could probably provide examples for reflow & content-on-hover because those were two new issues that we are changing the site in order to meet the new SC.

If you mean are we trying to do the research approach, that’s a lot of prep to find particular sites with issues affected by 2.1-only criteria… it would be easier after sites start trying to meet it.


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