Re: Even for Note-track? Re: CFC - Standing permission to publish Working Drafts of COGA Gap Analysis

On 05/02/2018 17:52, lisa.seeman wrote:
> I can make a list of significant changes. That seems sensible.
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> Léonie, is that enough?

That would be perfect. Thanks Lisa.

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> ---- On Fri, 02 Feb 2018 19:27:56 +0200 *John 
> Foliot<john.foliot@deque.com>* wrote ----
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>     So...
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>     I know that GitHub is the tool of choice these days at the W3C, but
>     here I *really* think that if we moved the editorial work over to a
>     wiki page at this point, that we'd have what we need. Wikis provide
>     the kind of historical change data that we're looking for here, and
>     once the heavy lifting is done, we could then move back to GitHub,
>     (or just publish the darned thing). I suspect it's simply a matter
>     of choosing the right tool for the job, rather than trying to pound
>     square pegs into star-shaped holes...
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>     My $0.05 Canadian.
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>     JF
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>     On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 10:41 AM, Léonie Watson <tink@tink.uk
>     <mailto:tink@tink.uk>> wrote:
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>         With HTML for example, we ask the Editors to add a bullet to the
>         changelog whenever they make a significant change to the spec.
>         It takes perhaps 2 minutes extra effort to do it.
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>         I'd also argue that commit logs are not the most usable of
>         things. If you're used to working with Github it's ok, but my
>         impression is that many in this WG do not use Github regularly
>         and so do not have that level of familiarity.
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>         On 02/02/2018 16:27, Michael Cooper wrote:
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>             My personal view is that a link to github commit history is
>             sufficient to meet the spirit of the Process document advice
>             James referenced. For Rec-track stuff I support going
>             further with practices that have emerged. That said, if it's
>             the will of the WG to require an actively managed change log
>             in order to feel comfortable giving standing publication
>             consent, then that's the WG decision. I manage the change
>             log for WCAG 2.1, and it's a lot more work than it seems, so
>             I am *not* prepared to take that on for the COGA gap
>             analysis. We will need to ensure that the document editors
>             accept this responsibility. Once we sort that out hopefully
>             we can move forward with a decision. Michael
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>             On 02/02/2018 6:54 AM, Léonie Watson wrote:
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>                 On 01/02/2018 22:43, Michael Cooper wrote:
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>                     I need to point out that the COGA Roadmap and Gap
>                     Analysis is not a spec - it's a Note-track document.
>                     Therefore I don't think it should be held to the
>                     practices of specs. Change logs are great in specs,
>                     and in ARIA we use them even without standing
>                     consent to publish on the books. But Note-track
>                     documents are often edited in less discrete chunks
>                     than specs, making it hard to make a meaningful
>                     change log. To ensure there is WG review, we
>                     explicitly plan for review opportunity and explicit
>                     WG consensus before transition to Note status, so I
>                     don't think things will sneak past the WG long-term.
>                     It is certainly possible to put a link to the github
>                     commit  history in the document, which people who
>                     really want to track its evolution can use. But if
>                     the WG doesn't support a standing consent to publish
>                     over this issue, the TF will have to ask for WG
>                     approval every time it wants to publish a draft,
>                     which will be more burden on all of us and more
>                     bureaucracy than I feel is needed for a Note-track
>                     document.
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>                 Without a changelog you're expecting WG members to be
>                 able to identify what's changed between one WD and the
>                 next. If, as you say, the changes in this case are in
>                 "less than discrete chunks", that means it'll be even
>                 harder to quickly review what's changed.
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>                 The changelog doesn't need to be complicated. It just
>                 needs to be a list of high level changes, plus links to
>                 the relevant Github commits. For example:
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>                 "Section X updated to include Y + [link to Github commit]".
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>                 That way someone can review the changelog and decide
>                 whether they want to review the change in detail (using
>                 the commit log), or not.
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>                 Léonie.
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>                     Given all that, is it really needed to have a change
>                     log in this Note-track document to get consent for
>                     standing Working Draft publication authority?
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>                     Michael
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>                     On 01/02/2018 1:12 PM, Léonie Watson wrote:
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>                         -1
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>                         In the absence of a CFC that summarises the
>                         changes between updates, there needs to be a
>                         changelog in the spec that makes it easy for WG
>                         members to ascertain what's changed for
>                         themselves. Currently the spec doesn't have such
>                         a thing.
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>                         On 01/02/2018 17:15, Andrew Kirkpatrick wrote:
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>                             Call For Consensus — ends Monday February
>                             5th at 12:30pm Boston time.
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>                             The AGWG discussed a decision to grant
>                             standing permission for the COGA Task Force
>                             to publish updated working drafts of their
>                             Gap Analysis.
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>                             The First Public Working Draft (FPWD) of
>                             their Gap Analysis is available here:
>                             https://www.w3.org/TR/2017/WD-coga-gap-analysis-20171207/
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>                             Please note there is a concurrent CfC on
>                             this same question in the Accessible
>                             Platform Architectures Working Group (APA
>                             WG). Members of both groups are asked to
>                             respond on both CfCs.
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>                             Call minutes:
>                             https://www.w3.org/2018/02/01-ag-minutes.html#item01
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>                             If you have concerns about this proposed
>                             consensus position that have not been
>                             discussed already and feel that those
>                             concerns result in you “not being able to
>                             live with” this decision, please let the
>                             group know before the CfC deadline.
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>                             Thanks,
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>                             AWK
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>                             Andrew Kirkpatrick
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>                             Group Product Manager, Accessibility
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