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Re: Target size proposal

From: Joshue O Connor - InterAccess <josh@interaccess.ie>
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 22:05:35 +0000
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To: David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>
CC: Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>, "Abma, J.D. (Jake)" <Jake.Abma@ing.nl>, "Patrick H. Lauke" <redux@splintered.co.uk>, "w3c-wai-gl@w3.org" <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
David MacDonald wrote:
> I don't know?
Likely that you have two chances.. Bob Hope and no hope..
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> On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 2:45 PM, Andrew Kirkpatrick 
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>     And what do you suppose Appleā€™s response to that will be?
>
>     Thanks,
>
>     AWK
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>     Andrew Kirkpatrick
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>     Group Product Manager, Accessibility
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>     *From: *David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca
>     <mailto:david100@sympatico.ca>>
>     *Date: *Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 14:44
>     *To: *Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com
>     <mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com>>
>     *Cc: *"Abma, J.D. (Jake)" <Jake.Abma@ing.nl
>     <mailto:Jake.Abma@ing.nl>>, Patrick Lauke <redux@splintered.co.uk
>     <mailto:redux@splintered.co.uk>>, WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
>     <mailto:w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>>
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>     *Subject: *Re: Target size proposal
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>     I could live with 48px one dimension and default on the other
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>     David MacDonald
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>     On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 2:24 PM, Andrew Kirkpatrick
>     <akirkpat@adobe.com <mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com>> wrote:
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>         I notice on the Google material guidelines page that the text
>         links are 15px tall (I think that on a 96dpi monitor this
>         means 25 CSS px) and I also see this:
>
>         Density
>         When mouse and keyboard are the primary input methods, button
>         measurements can be slightly reduced to accommodate dense UIs.
>         (32dpi in height)
>
>         Also, in the size and padding section, the material guidelines
>         indicate that the button can be 36dp inside the 48dp target,
>         so leaving 6dp on each side.
>
>         Thanks,
>         AWK
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>         Andrew Kirkpatrick
>         Group Product Manager, Accessibility
>         Adobe
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>         On 1/17/18, 13:36, "Abma, J.D. (Jake)" <Jake.Abma@ing.nl
>         <mailto:Jake.Abma@ing.nl>> wrote:
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>             Ha, this is even true for almost all of Google's
>         showpieces like
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>          and Polymer
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>         to name a few where there are more targets NOT having the
>         desired size than the ones that do.
>
>
>             -----Original Message-----
>             From: Patrick H. Lauke [mailto:redux@splintered.co.uk
>         <mailto:redux@splintered.co.uk>]
>             Sent: woensdag 17 januari 2018 19:23
>             To: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org <mailto:w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
>             Subject: Re: Target size proposal
>
>             On 17/01/2018 17:48, Abma, J.D. (Jake) wrote:
>         > After some research it's clear that Microsoft also has 48X48
>         now (7/9
>         > mm) and the 26/34 is pretty old for MS phones/apps in from
>         2010...
>         >
>         > But they also changed a lot and so pick a number (23, 26,
>         34, 40, 48
>         > and maybe more) and you're save... :-)
>         >
>         > So what research at which time by whom is the question as
>         but for sure
>         > the 26/34 is not what they use now (or maybe somewhere...)
>
>             Also worth pointing out (as already pointed out on various
>         occasions in the past) that whether you look at Microsoft,
>         Google, or Apple, guidance on target sizes is advisory -
>         usually couched in terms like "in general", "should", "avoid",
>         and so on - and that these companies themselves sometimes
>         break their own guidance when deemed appropriate (a classic
>         example with Apple, for instance, would be the minuscule "Back"
>             control in the phone's top bar when you, say, follow a
>         link in an email and it opens Safari). Meaning these are more
>         subtle than hard pass/fail values set in stone, and more of
>         good practice / UX guidance.
>
>             P
>             --
>             Patrick H. Lauke
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