- From: Joshue O Connor - InterAccess <josh@interaccess.ie>
- Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 22:05:35 +0000
- To: David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>
- CC: Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>, "Abma, J.D. (Jake)" <Jake.Abma@ing.nl>, "Patrick H. Lauke" <redux@splintered.co.uk>, "w3c-wai-gl@w3.org" <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <5A5FC8AF.3070702@interaccess.ie>
David MacDonald wrote: > I don't know? Likely that you have two chances.. Bob Hope and no hope.. > > Cheers, > David MacDonald > > *Can**Adapt**Solutions Inc.* > > Tel: 613.235.4902 > > LinkedIn > <http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidmacdonald100> > > twitter.com/davidmacd <http://twitter.com/davidmacd> > > GitHub <https://github.com/DavidMacDonald> > > www.Can-Adapt.com <http://www.can-adapt.com/> > > / Adapting the web to *all* users/ > > / Including those with disabilities/ > > If you are not the intended recipient, please review our privacy > policy <http://www.davidmacd.com/disclaimer.html> > > On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 2:45 PM, Andrew Kirkpatrick > <akirkpat@adobe.com <mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com>> wrote: > > And what do you suppose Apple’s response to that will be? > > Thanks, > > AWK > > Andrew Kirkpatrick > > Group Product Manager, Accessibility > > Adobe > > akirkpat@adobe.com <mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com> > > http://twitter.com/awkawk > > *From: *David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca > <mailto:david100@sympatico.ca>> > *Date: *Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 14:44 > *To: *Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com > <mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com>> > *Cc: *"Abma, J.D. (Jake)" <Jake.Abma@ing.nl > <mailto:Jake.Abma@ing.nl>>, Patrick Lauke <redux@splintered.co.uk > <mailto:redux@splintered.co.uk>>, WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org > <mailto:w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>> > > > *Subject: *Re: Target size proposal > > I could live with 48px one dimension and default on the other > > > Cheers, > David MacDonald > > *Can**Adapt**Solutions Inc.* > > Tel: 613.235.4902 <tel:%28613%29%20235-4902> > > LinkedIn > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fin%2Fdavidmacdonald100&data=02%7C01%7Cakirkpat%40adobe.com%7Cfe179d93bd154046eb8c08d55de2abef%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636518150510076464&sdata=U1RlphG2EZt7cPv4kW4vAZdHCYXBxF0NvBBCnFgP0BE%3D&reserved=0> > > twitter.com/davidmacd > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fdavidmacd&data=02%7C01%7Cakirkpat%40adobe.com%7Cfe179d93bd154046eb8c08d55de2abef%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636518150510076464&sdata=riElSRXqEeYPnBfCMKM9%2FZ4vh4VA%2Bz4vss4zn26TclE%3D&reserved=0> > > GitHub > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2FDavidMacDonald&data=02%7C01%7Cakirkpat%40adobe.com%7Cfe179d93bd154046eb8c08d55de2abef%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636518150510076464&sdata=Th4pWd26e%2BbDvZMhS7Ga4%2FJolHhmJZbMKzyAS9e%2BIME%3D&reserved=0> > > www.Can-Adapt.com > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.can-adapt.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cakirkpat%40adobe.com%7Cfe179d93bd154046eb8c08d55de2abef%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636518150510076464&sdata=1HChO457IM40%2FH3aM3w87PIbV%2FPa99b3CeSrrEcriY0%3D&reserved=0> > > / Adapting the web to *all* users/ > > / Including those with disabilities/ > > If you are not the intended recipient, please review our privacy > policy > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.davidmacd.com%2Fdisclaimer.html&data=02%7C01%7Cakirkpat%40adobe.com%7Cfe179d93bd154046eb8c08d55de2abef%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636518150510076464&sdata=v%2BbLcR9JfiEjJRzALa1J0uzhg2Vi1xZdWw65RfXeQ%2BQ%3D&reserved=0> > > On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 2:24 PM, Andrew Kirkpatrick > <akirkpat@adobe.com <mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com>> wrote: > > I notice on the Google material guidelines page that the text > links are 15px tall (I think that on a 96dpi monitor this > means 25 CSS px) and I also see this: > > Density > When mouse and keyboard are the primary input methods, button > measurements can be slightly reduced to accommodate dense UIs. > (32dpi in height) > > Also, in the size and padding section, the material guidelines > indicate that the button can be 36dp inside the 48dp target, > so leaving 6dp on each side. > > Thanks, > AWK > > Andrew Kirkpatrick > Group Product Manager, Accessibility > Adobe > > akirkpat@adobe.com <mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com> > http://twitter.com/awkawk > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fawkawk&data=02%7C01%7Cakirkpat%40adobe.com%7Cfe179d93bd154046eb8c08d55de2abef%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636518150510076464&sdata=58XiYRxQb77%2BJBNam7GzS4YE9UDCddxxG9r1RQxw%2Bqw%3D&reserved=0> > > On 1/17/18, 13:36, "Abma, J.D. (Jake)" <Jake.Abma@ing.nl > <mailto:Jake.Abma@ing.nl>> wrote: > > > Ha, this is even true for almost all of Google's > showpieces like > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&data=02%7C01%7Cakirkpat%40adobe.com%7Ce2190970b0974728ab6f08d55dd92938%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C1%7C636518109660779973&sdata=WXzEs%2B1eMO5ki1axf8USZxnyUO604qWy3316bwwbzlI%3D&reserved=0 > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&data=02%7C01%7Cakirkpat%40adobe.com%7Ce2190970b0974728ab6f08d55dd92938%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C1%7C636518109660779973&sdata=WXzEs%2B1eMO5ki1axf8USZxnyUO604qWy3316bwwbzlI%3D&reserved=0> > Material Design > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmaterial.io%2Fguidelines%2Fcomponents%2Fbuttons.html&data=02%7C01%7Cakirkpat%40adobe.com%7Ce2190970b0974728ab6f08d55dd92938%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C1%7C636518109660779973&sdata=dVHkoabFrQ7rTtJKOBIPvS6p%2F37ztHgsdvcJJ%2BGxNLs%3D&reserved=0 > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmaterial.io%2Fguidelines%2Fcomponents%2Fbuttons.html&data=02%7C01%7Cakirkpat%40adobe.com%7Ce2190970b0974728ab6f08d55dd92938%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C1%7C636518109660779973&sdata=dVHkoabFrQ7rTtJKOBIPvS6p%2F37ztHgsdvcJJ%2BGxNLs%3D&reserved=0> > and Polymer > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.webcomponents.org%2Fsearch%2Fcalendar&data=02%7C01%7Cakirkpat%40adobe.com%7Ce2190970b0974728ab6f08d55dd92938%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C1%7C636518109660779973&sdata=Sgh5De%2FsVAeaQtEUJQqujz51r8F8AE7Glk7qk06A89Q%3D&reserved=0 > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.webcomponents.org%2Fsearch%2Fcalendar&data=02%7C01%7Cakirkpat%40adobe.com%7Ce2190970b0974728ab6f08d55dd92938%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C1%7C636518109660779973&sdata=Sgh5De%2FsVAeaQtEUJQqujz51r8F8AE7Glk7qk06A89Q%3D&reserved=0> > to name a few where there are more targets NOT having the > desired size than the ones that do. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Patrick H. Lauke [mailto:redux@splintered.co.uk > <mailto:redux@splintered.co.uk>] > Sent: woensdag 17 januari 2018 19:23 > To: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org <mailto:w3c-wai-gl@w3.org> > Subject: Re: Target size proposal > > On 17/01/2018 17:48, Abma, J.D. (Jake) wrote: > > After some research it's clear that Microsoft also has 48X48 > now (7/9 > > mm) and the 26/34 is pretty old for MS phones/apps in from > 2010... > > > > But they also changed a lot and so pick a number (23, 26, > 34, 40, 48 > > and maybe more) and you're save... :-) > > > > So what research at which time by whom is the question as > but for sure > > the 26/34 is not what they use now (or maybe somewhere...) > > Also worth pointing out (as already pointed out on various > occasions in the past) that whether you look at Microsoft, > Google, or Apple, guidance on target sizes is advisory - > usually couched in terms like "in general", "should", "avoid", > and so on - and that these companies themselves sometimes > break their own guidance when deemed appropriate (a classic > example with Apple, for instance, would be the minuscule "Back" > control in the phone's top bar when you, say, follow a > link in an email and it opens Safari). Meaning these are more > subtle than hard pass/fail values set in stone, and more of > good practice / UX guidance. > > P > -- > Patrick H. 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