Re: Content on Hover or Focus

I thought the original "communicates an input error
<http://rawgit.com/w3c/wcag21/hover-focus-edits/guidelines/#dfn-input-error> or
does not obscure or replace other content;" made sense. To me I read it as
... does not obscure and does not replace the other content.

your edit "communicates an input error
<http://rawgit.com/w3c/wcag21/hover-focus-edits/guidelines/#dfn-input-error> or
the additional content neither obscures nor replaces other content;" while
being more wordy is more clear.

I agree that it does not cover tabbed interface.

Jim

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 12:49 PM, Repsher, Stephen J <
stephen.j.repsher@boeing.com> wrote:

> Thinking about this a bit more, how about:
>
>
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> …, unless the additional content communicates an input error
> <http://rawgit.com/w3c/wcag21/hover-focus-edits/guidelines/#dfn-input-error> or
> the additional content neither obscures nor replaces other content;
>
>
>
> Steve
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> *From:* Repsher, Stephen J
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 17, 2018 1:23 PM
> *To:* David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>
> *Cc:* W3c-Wai-Gl-Request@W3. Org <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
> *Subject:* RE: Content on Hover or Focus
>
>
>
> It means the former, not the latter, in your reply below.  I don’t think
> it’s a run-on sentence, but perhaps confusing conjunctions.  Are others
> confused?
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> This was not meant to cover tabbed interfaces.  That is covered by the
> change to the initial sentence of the SC.
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>
>
> Steve
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>
>
> *From:* David MacDonald [mailto:david100@sympatico.ca
> <david100@sympatico.ca>]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 17, 2018 2:25 AM
> *To:* Repsher, Stephen J <stephen.j.repsher@boeing.com>
> *Cc:* W3c-Wai-Gl-Request@W3. Org <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
> *Subject:* Re: Content on Hover or Focus
>
>
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> > unless the additional content communicates an input error
> <http://rawgit.com/w3c/wcag21/hover-focus-edits/guidelines/#dfn-input-error> or
> does not obscure or replace other content;
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>
> This makes my head spin a bit...
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>
> Do you mean " ...does not obscure, or does not replace ..."
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> Or
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> "... does not obscure, or *does* replace ..."
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> I think you mean the latter because that is what a tabbed interface does.
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> If so then I think it would have to say something like:
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> ...unless the additional content:
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> - communicates an input error
> <http://rawgit.com/w3c/wcag21/hover-focus-edits/guidelines/#dfn-input-error>
>  or
>
> - it replaces other content (rather than obscures it); or
>
> - it does not obscure other content
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>
>
> So these would be sub bullets which is not ideal, but better than a run on
> sentence that oscillates between "does" and "does not"
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> Cheers,
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> On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 1:45 AM, Repsher, Stephen J <
> stephen.j.repsher@boeing.com> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
>
>
> I’ve attempted to resolve all open issues and discussion regarding Content
> on Hover or Focus, and I’m proposing the following changes to the SC:
>
> 1.       Revision to Hoverable condition to use more plain language
> (issues #695 and #711)
>
> 2.       Revised initial sentence to scope to additional content which
> also disappears on hover or focus.  This is needed to scope out content
> that may appear on focus such as in a tab list, drop down box, etc. (issue
> #650)
>
> 3.       Adds an exception to the Dismissable condition when the
> additional content doesn't obscure or replace anything.  This addresses
> comments on mailing list regarding things like help content inserted inline
> when an input field has focus.
>
>
>
> Please review the changes here: http://rawgit.com/w3c/wcag21/
> hover-focus-edits/guidelines/#content-on-hover-or-focus
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>
>
> Comment here or on the pull request at https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/
> pull/739
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>
> Thanks!
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