Re: Pointer SC questions

Agree with Andrew - buttons are not an issue as indicated in #700. 

Jonathan

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> On Jan 15, 2018, at 12:01 PM, Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com> wrote:
> 
> I'd love to plus-one this, but the definition "single pointer" 
>    referenced in 2.6.1 Pointer Gestures is now in serious trouble because 
>    it doesn't work for "2.6.2 Pointer Cancellation" as Steve has pointed 
>    out (In SC 2.6.2, one way of meeting the SC would be moving the pointer 
>    outside the target for the up-event, so that contradicts the "one screen 
>    location" in the 'single pointer# definition).
> 
> For that concern I would say that a path based gesture is essential. You can’t have a function to prevent a tap by moving the tap off of the target without a path-based gesture.
> 
>    Before reworking the definition and/or "Pointer gestures" we need to 
>    answert these questions:
>    - Will 2.6.2 Pointer cancellation undergo significant changes to bring 
>    native buttons into the fold or exempt them (see Patrick's / Paciello 
>    group comment #700), or even be abandoned?
> 
> I don’t think that the comment in #700 is correct at all, so I don’t think that rewording is needed.
> 
> AWK
> 
>    If Pointer cancellation can be salvaged and remains, should we then
>    A - Rework the 'single' pointer definition to work with both 2.6.1 and 
>    2.6.2 which might weaken it (no longer one location so pointer can move)
>    B - Use two different definitions, or even remove 'single' in 2.6.2 
>    Pointer Cancellation so the SC text would then read "For functionality 
>    <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frawgit.com%2Fw3c%2Fwcag21%2Fpointer_gestures_update%2Fguidelines%2Findex.html%23dfn-functionality&data=02%7C01%7Cakirkpat%40adobe.com%7Cb46a69a61ead4b74d10c08d55bfaaf62%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C1%7C636516054596127446&sdata=VvcJLWURXF9XtNoisPOm2GHkWmKURDQHAs3Q5bRIGxQ%3D&reserved=0> 
>    that can be operated using a pointer, at least one of the following is 
>    true...". I currently do not see an urgent need to restrict this to 
>    single pointer, but there may be one.
> 
>>    Am 15.01.2018 um 06:31 schrieb Andrew Kirkpatrick:
>> 
>> Call For Consensus — ends Tuesday January 16th at 11:59pm Boston time.
>> 
>> The Working Group has discussed responses to the following issues:
>> 
>> 634: (https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fwcag21%2Fissues%2F634&data=02%7C01%7Cakirkpat%40adobe.com%7Cb46a69a61ead4b74d10c08d55bfaaf62%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C1%7C636516054596127446&sdata=AiHm8FKyTv8Nrk2u1QAB5jFn9D3KDm3%2F94UDAEB5lTQ%3D&reserved=0)
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>> 663: (https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fwcag21%2Fissues%2F663&data=02%7C01%7Cakirkpat%40adobe.com%7Cb46a69a61ead4b74d10c08d55bfaaf62%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C1%7C636516054596127446&sdata=n6MILoY4Hkg%2B2bs3wDITaFdkb3odXv4BFtkjgirqEeA%3D&reserved=0)
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>> Response to Issue 
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>> Response to Issue 
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>> 
>> The changes to the SC are implemented in this pull 
>> request: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fwcag21%2Fpull%2F731&data=02%7C01%7Cakirkpat%40adobe.com%7Cb46a69a61ead4b74d10c08d55bfaaf62%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C1%7C636516054596127446&sdata=%2B0p3OCdJ4NFOqIfhVkeOeusCl0obkc9sKGsyCdZ%2Bz9A%3D&reserved=0

>> 
>> The changed SC can be viewed here: 
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frawgit.com%2Fw3c%2Fwcag21%2Fpointer_gestures_update%2Fguidelines%2Findex.html%23pointer-gestures&data=02%7C01%7Cakirkpat%40adobe.com%7Cb46a69a61ead4b74d10c08d55bfaaf62%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C1%7C636516054596127446&sdata=Qx5PXgf4nehL4HPjnPwjHp6dY4gvWKsyjxv%2FTeQbZSA%3D&reserved=0 
>> (and “single pointer” definition)
>> 
>> If you have concerns about this proposed consensus position that have 
>> not been discussed already and feel that those concerns result in you 
>> “not being able to live with” this decision, please let the group know 
>> before the CfC deadline.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> AWK
>> 
>> Andrew Kirkpatrick
>> 
>> Group Product Manager, Accessibility
>> 
>> Adobe
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