Re: CFC - Responses to issues 657, 677, and 685 on text spacing

Laura,
We definitively know that Korean uses word spacing, but Chinese and Japanese do not, and other non-CJK languages have different concerns. That is why I offered up the alternative language.

Thanks,
AWK

Andrew Kirkpatrick
Group Product Manager, Accessibility
Adobe

akirkpat@adobe.com
http://twitter.com/awkawk


From: Laura Carlson <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com>
Date: Monday, January 15, 2018 at 08:47
To: "White, Jason J" <jjwhite@ets.org>
Cc: "makoto.ueki@gmail.com" <makoto.ueki@gmail.com>, Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>, WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Subject: RE: CFC - Responses to issues 657, 677, and 685 on text spacing

Hi Andrew, Jason, and all,

If it is okay to proceed with having little to no research specific to text spacing and CJK languages, I am happy if we use Andrew's reply.

If it is not okay, perhaps we could go with something like the exemption version that I previously drafted:
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Kindest Regards,
Laura


On Jan 15, 2018 7:00 AM, "White, Jason J" <jjwhite@ets.org<mailto:jjwhite@ets.org>> wrote:
-1
The response does not meet the need for the internationalization concerns to be properly considered, reviewed and addressed before entering CR.

-----Original Message-----
From: Makoto UEKI - Infoaxia, Inc. [mailto:makoto.ueki@gmail.com<mailto:makoto.ueki@gmail.com>]
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2018 7:39 AM
To: Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com<mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com>>
Cc: WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org<mailto:w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>>
Subject: Re: CFC - Responses to issues 657, 677, and 685 on text spacing

-1 for now.

I'm not sure if the Exception addressed especially #657 for the vertical text mode as line/paragraph/letter spacing can be used.

Can we say that 1.5 times for line spacing, 2 times for paragraph spacing, and 0.12 times for letter spacing are valid for text written in vertical mode?

Another question I still have is whether these values are valid for text written in CJK and Arabic or not (Do we have basis?).

I'm looking for the research-based basis for these questions, but I haven't found them yet.

- Makoto



2018-01-15 13:25 GMT+09:00 Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com<mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com>>:
> Call For Consensus — ends Tuesday January 16th at 11:59pm Boston time.
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> The Working Group has discussed responses to the following issues:
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> 657: When vertical text mode, are SC 1.4.8/1.4.12 applicable as they are?
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> If you have concerns about this proposed consensus position that have
> not been discussed already and feel that those concerns result in you
> “not being able to live with” this decision, please let the group know
> before the CfC deadline.
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> Thanks,
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> AWK
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> Andrew Kirkpatrick
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> Group Product Manager, Accessibility
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> Adobe
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