Re: Objection Re: CFC - Response to Issue 520

Also +1 to Andrews response.

Thanks

Josh

White, Jason J wrote:
>
> +1 to Andrew’s response, and note that the objection appears to be to 
> the process (which I agree with Andrew offered adequate opportunity to 
> all participants in the working group to respond), and not to the 
> substance of the decision made in the CfC.
>
> *From:* Andrew Kirkpatrick [mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, January 12, 2018 2:33 PM
> *To:* lisa.seeman <lisa.seeman@zoho.com>; W3c-Wai-Gl-Request@W3. Org 
> <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
> *Subject:* Re: Objection Re: CFC - Response to Issue 520
>
> Lisa,
>
> We reviewed a different response a number of meetings ago and asked 
> for people to offer improvements and received none.  As we approached 
> the comment deadline, we tried new language and discussed it on a call 
> and although it was close the group had some changes to suggest. 
> Changes were made, it was sent to the list to get a sense of whether 
> people were happy with it, and then I sent out the CFC. >48 hours 
> later I concluded the CFC.
>
> For reference, all CFC’s start with “CFC –“ and the starting and 
> ending messages are from a chair and have the “high priority” flag on 
> the email.
>
> Regarding a note about passing the CFC with no review or input from 
> COGA, I respectfully disagree. The COGA TF is part of the AGWG and has 
> every opportunity to review and weigh in on CFC’s.
>
> Thanks,
>
> AWK
>
> Andrew Kirkpatrick
>
> Group Product Manager, Accessibility
>
> Adobe
>
> akirkpat@adobe.com <mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com>
>
> http://twitter.com/awkawk
>
> *From: *"lisa.seeman@zoho.com <mailto:lisa.seeman@zoho.com>" 
> <lisa.seeman@zoho.com <mailto:lisa.seeman@zoho.com>>
> *Date: *Friday, January 12, 2018 at 03:14
> *To: *Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com 
> <mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com>>, WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org 
> <mailto:w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>>
> *Subject: *Objection Re: CFC - Response to Issue 520
>
> I appolgise for being outside the deadline but I object to his CFC.
>
> Can we have at least a minimum text label added to CFCs so that people 
> can track what CFCs they have reviewed and identify which h are 
> relavent. This is especially important for CFC s related to coga and 
> CFCs are being passed in huge numbers , some about COGA,  without 
> being sure if anyone from coga has been able to review them, and no 
> agreement from COGA recorded.
>
> Please add to the objection the following note: This CFC was passed 
> with no input or review from COGA
>
> All the best
>
> Lisa Seeman
>
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>
>     ---- On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 05:15:55 +0200 *akirkpat@adobe.com
>     <mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com> *wrote ----
>
>     AGWG’ers,
>
>     As we have received only positive feedback leading up to this CfC
>     and no responses indicating that group members could not live this
>     this decision, this CfC is agreed on as a consensus opinion of the
>     working group.
>
>     This decision will be recorded at
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>     Thanks,
>
>     AWK
>
>     Andrew Kirkpatrick
>
>     Group Product Manager, Accessibility
>
>     Adobe
>
>     akirkpat@adobe.com <mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com>
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>     *From: *Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com
>     <mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com>>
>     *Date: *Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 16:57
>     *To: *WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org <mailto:w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>>
>     *Subject: *CFC - Response to Issue 520
>     *Resent-From: *WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org <mailto:w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>>
>     *Resent-Date: *Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 16:55
>
>     Call For Consensus — ends Thursday January 9th at 5pm Boston time.
>
>     The Working Group has discussed a response to issue 520
>     (https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/520
>     <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fwcag21%2Fissues%2F520&data=02%7C01%7Cakirkpat%40adobe.com%7C927161769a37403185fa08d559947835%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636513416563607262&sdata=jl8EIs%2F933FoUZ4pHNjlHn5vl7nuZFeNxkDGyA71zuc%3D&reserved=0>).
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>     The specific response is at
>     https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Draft_Responses_to_Dec_WD_Issues#520 <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FWAI%2FGL%2Fwiki%2FDraft_Responses_to_Dec_WD_Issues%23520&data=02%7C01%7Cakirkpat%40adobe.com%7C927161769a37403185fa08d559947835%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636513416563607262&sdata=cas7X41ysZTX8UTfRjDiBJ5JzQ25RakNxejcjfnt6U8%3D&reserved=0>,
>     and it was surveyed at
>     https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/resolvingissues3/results#xq2
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>
>     The response was discussed on the call (minutes:
>     https://www.w3.org/2018/01/09-ag-minutes.html#item03
>     <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2018%2F01%2F09-ag-minutes.html%23item03&data=02%7C01%7Cakirkpat%40adobe.com%7C927161769a37403185fa08d559947835%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636513416563607262&sdata=zmWkPkROd%2BO9Ia1o7t6kuCRpOCRK%2B3sLK9kDHitwFk4%3D&reserved=0>)
>     and with follow-up discussion on the list
>     (https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2018JanMar/0166.html
>     <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.w3.org%2FArchives%2FPublic%2Fw3c-wai-gl%2F2018JanMar%2F0166.html&data=02%7C01%7Cakirkpat%40adobe.com%7C927161769a37403185fa08d559947835%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636513416563607262&sdata=4srZz%2BkuT%2BkvB1mG7A%2BnZhQUApIU8pqSmbVnZYaTU1w%3D&reserved=0>).
>
>     If you have concerns about this proposed consensus position that
>     have not been discussed already and feel that those concerns
>     result in you “not being able to live with” this decision, please
>     let the group know before the CfC deadline.
>
>     Thanks,
>
>     AWK
>
>     Andrew Kirkpatrick
>
>     Group Product Manager, Accessibility
>
>     Adobe
>
>     akirkpat@adobe.com <mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com>
>
>     http://twitter.com/awkawk
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