Re: Possible wording for 1.3.4?

Both of these below have lost the fact that this only pertains to 
information about the user. If I am forced to use the autocomplete 
attribute on fields about employees (for example) in an HR application - 
that will make the usability of that application far worse as the 
browser will keep on prompting me for autocomplete suggestions for data 
pertaining to someone else.


On 1/12/2018 11:27 AM, Michael Gower wrote:
> The last version of that is the best of the three, I think. I can live 
> with that. However, I still prefer Jason's that does not tie 
> /everyone/ to the 5.2 meanings. Here they are back to back:
>
>   * In content implemented using technologies with support for
>     identifying the expected meaning for form input data, for each
>     input field that has a purpose that maps to any of the _HTML 5.2
>     Autofill field names_
>     <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Fwww.w3.org-252FTR-252Fhtml52-252Fsec-2Dforms.html-2523autofill-2Dfield-26data-3D02-257C01-257Cakirkpat-2540adobe.com-257Cca969dfd8a4a4e21f6e408d559ede8cc-257Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1-257C0-257C0-257C636513800714094670-26sdata-3DXRbdqxqP8ZK6sblYsmHoYOwbcLFZuiEs6zZ07udO-252Br4-253D-26reserved-3D0&d=DwMGaQ&c=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg&r=_9rqR3xSCWQUlv9VpOcJwkP7H0XWQXmxeMmqQl6Fikc&m=-tGRnd0O2NeyJOdIqJyQWFXmkvidfIdbh1qC5CLQd4w&s=ads5VC-C6Mfo8VQtlNIpurA-6cFvMk_w7Wi_opByeK8&e=>the
>     meaning of the input field can be programmatically determined.
>
>   * For content implemented using technologies that support specifying
>     the purpose of specific types of form input fields, the purpose of
>     each such field of a supported type can be programmatically
>     determined.
>
>
>
> Michael Gower
> IBM Accessibility
> Research
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>
> From: Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>
> To: "Alex Li (CELA)" <alli@microsoft.com>, Alastair Campbell 
> <acampbell@nomensa.com>
> Cc: WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
> Date: 2018-01-12 11:13 AM
> Subject: Re: Possible wording for 1.3.4?
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> I like that version Alex. A few tweaks in line with John’s:
>
> In content implemented using technologies with support for autofilling 
> form inputs and an equivalent input field as any of the _HTML 5.2 
> Autofill field names_ 
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Fwww.w3.org-252FTR-252Fhtml52-252Fsec-2Dforms.html-2523autofill-2Dfield-26data-3D02-257C01-257Cakirkpat-2540adobe.com-257Cca969dfd8a4a4e21f6e408d559ede8cc-257Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1-257C0-257C0-257C636513800714094670-26sdata-3DXRbdqxqP8ZK6sblYsmHoYOwbcLFZuiEs6zZ07udO-252Br4-253D-26reserved-3D0&d=DwMGaQ&c=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg&r=_9rqR3xSCWQUlv9VpOcJwkP7H0XWQXmxeMmqQl6Fikc&m=-tGRnd0O2NeyJOdIqJyQWFXmkvidfIdbh1qC5CLQd4w&s=ads5VC-C6Mfo8VQtlNIpurA-6cFvMk_w7Wi_opByeK8&e=>is 
> used, the meaning of the equivalent input fields can be 
> programmatically determined.
>
> Changed:
>
> In content implemented using technologies with support for autofilling 
> form inputs, for each input field that has a purpose that maps to any 
> of the _HTML 5.2 Autofill field names_ 
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Fwww.w3.org-252FTR-252Fhtml52-252Fsec-2Dforms.html-2523autofill-2Dfield-26data-3D02-257C01-257Cakirkpat-2540adobe.com-257Cca969dfd8a4a4e21f6e408d559ede8cc-257Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1-257C0-257C0-257C636513800714094670-26sdata-3DXRbdqxqP8ZK6sblYsmHoYOwbcLFZuiEs6zZ07udO-252Br4-253D-26reserved-3D0&d=DwMGaQ&c=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg&r=_9rqR3xSCWQUlv9VpOcJwkP7H0XWQXmxeMmqQl6Fikc&m=-tGRnd0O2NeyJOdIqJyQWFXmkvidfIdbh1qC5CLQd4w&s=ads5VC-C6Mfo8VQtlNIpurA-6cFvMk_w7Wi_opByeK8&e=>the 
> meaning of the input field can be programmatically determined.
>
> Or, to step away from “autofill” a bit:
>
> In content implemented using technologies with support for identifying 
> the expected meaning for form input data, for each input field that 
> has a purpose that maps to any of the _HTML 5.2 Autofill field names_ 
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Fwww.w3.org-252FTR-252Fhtml52-252Fsec-2Dforms.html-2523autofill-2Dfield-26data-3D02-257C01-257Cakirkpat-2540adobe.com-257Cca969dfd8a4a4e21f6e408d559ede8cc-257Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1-257C0-257C0-257C636513800714094670-26sdata-3DXRbdqxqP8ZK6sblYsmHoYOwbcLFZuiEs6zZ07udO-252Br4-253D-26reserved-3D0&d=DwMGaQ&c=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg&r=_9rqR3xSCWQUlv9VpOcJwkP7H0XWQXmxeMmqQl6Fikc&m=-tGRnd0O2NeyJOdIqJyQWFXmkvidfIdbh1qC5CLQd4w&s=ads5VC-C6Mfo8VQtlNIpurA-6cFvMk_w7Wi_opByeK8&e=>the 
> meaning of the input field can be programmatically determined.
>
> Thanks,
>
> AWK
>
> Andrew Kirkpatrick
>
> Group Product Manager, Accessibility
>
> Adobe
>
> akirkpat@adobe.com
>
> http://twitter.com/awkawk 
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__twitter.com_awkawk&d=DwMGaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=CIHu8rc_0wRTTC_7DvWtiGNKjpA-3oTgbu_6ve6hP0I&m=Qxho3T9BBrygeOOOCWGrt9L-je6YH_QAZGyWO2mqHWQ&s=OTHqZ8LWhSDOeIPMqCIDopKXBOGqKkCLK_-17tZ2Hmw&e=>
>
> *From: *Alex Li <alli@microsoft.com>*
> Date: *Friday, January 12, 2018 at 13:54*
> To: *Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>, Alastair Campbell 
> <acampbell@nomensa.com>*
> Cc: *WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>*
> Subject: *RE: Possible wording for 1.3.4?
>
> How about something like this?
>
> In content implemented using technologies with support for autofilling 
> form inputs and an equivalent input field as any of the _HTML 5.2 
> Autofill field names_ 
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Fwww.w3.org-252FTR-252Fhtml52-252Fsec-2Dforms.html-2523autofill-2Dfield-26data-3D02-257C01-257Cakirkpat-2540adobe.com-257Cca969dfd8a4a4e21f6e408d559ede8cc-257Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1-257C0-257C0-257C636513800714094670-26sdata-3DXRbdqxqP8ZK6sblYsmHoYOwbcLFZuiEs6zZ07udO-252Br4-253D-26reserved-3D0&d=DwMGaQ&c=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg&r=_9rqR3xSCWQUlv9VpOcJwkP7H0XWQXmxeMmqQl6Fikc&m=-tGRnd0O2NeyJOdIqJyQWFXmkvidfIdbh1qC5CLQd4w&s=ads5VC-C6Mfo8VQtlNIpurA-6cFvMk_w7Wi_opByeK8&e=>is 
> used, the meaning of the equivalent input fields can be 
> programmatically determined.
>
> *From:*Andrew Kirkpatrick [mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com] *
> Sent:* Friday, January 12, 2018 10:26 AM*
> To:* Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com>*
> Cc:* WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>*
> Subject:* Re: Possible wording for 1.3.4?
>
> If a company creates a tool that allows people to create web content 
> they may be able to conform when the software is tested but that is a 
> different date then for the person who builds content with it.
>
> The suggestions are very much like 1.3.5:
>
> In content implemented using markup languages, the purpose of _User 
> Interface Components_ 
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttp-253A-252F-252Frawgit.com-252Fw3c-252Fwcag21-252Fmaster-252Fguidelines-252Findex.html-2523dfn-2Duser-2Dinterface-2Dcomponents-26data-3D02-257C01-257Cakirkpat-2540adobe.com-257Cca969dfd8a4a4e21f6e408d559ede8cc-257Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1-257C0-257C0-257C636513800714094670-26sdata-3DaShpbJxNlVln6eAEUJg6nk8lPkPB-252BjdXstjbGKIILp4-253D-26reserved-3D0&d=DwMGaQ&c=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg&r=_9rqR3xSCWQUlv9VpOcJwkP7H0XWQXmxeMmqQl6Fikc&m=-tGRnd0O2NeyJOdIqJyQWFXmkvidfIdbh1qC5CLQd4w&s=J1p9aWiRzMnym7LcLkG_mij1WI7NLFKMIeUmfSHN0ag&e=>, 
> icons, and _regions_ 
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttp-253A-252F-252Frawgit.com-252Fw3c-252Fwcag21-252Fmaster-252Fguidelines-252Findex.html-2523dfn-2Dregions-26data-3D02-257C01-257Cakirkpat-2540adobe.com-257Cca969dfd8a4a4e21f6e408d559ede8cc-257Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1-257C0-257C0-257C636513800714094670-26sdata-3Dk1pms5bzqxOapQWfkpzlGPeYKyudC-252BaHJjvKCQaBxRI-253D-26reserved-3D0&d=DwMGaQ&c=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg&r=_9rqR3xSCWQUlv9VpOcJwkP7H0XWQXmxeMmqQl6Fikc&m=-tGRnd0O2NeyJOdIqJyQWFXmkvidfIdbh1qC5CLQd4w&s=H3KufAkbM17cTqG2LWv-mPE52LpLK3XiZCSy1ijXIc8&e=>can 
> be programmatically determined.
>
> (_http://rawgit.com/w3c/wcag21/master/guidelines/index.html#identify-purpose_ 
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttp-253A-252F-252Frawgit.com-252Fw3c-252Fwcag21-252Fmaster-252Fguidelines-252Findex.html-2523identify-2Dpurpose-26data-3D02-257C01-257Cakirkpat-2540adobe.com-257Cca969dfd8a4a4e21f6e408d559ede8cc-257Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1-257C0-257C0-257C636513800714094670-26sdata-3Dm3MxLxENUGRWUi7Zr-252Fvv2uJp9Lqg4Wk8gDkTvNR7T-252Bs-253D-26reserved-3D0&d=DwMGaQ&c=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg&r=_9rqR3xSCWQUlv9VpOcJwkP7H0XWQXmxeMmqQl6Fikc&m=-tGRnd0O2NeyJOdIqJyQWFXmkvidfIdbh1qC5CLQd4w&s=bom6ubPNq9uT0F6lnajB04YauyIQ6-0iip3V9s2RqN0&e=>)
>
> in 1.3.4 we have tried to define a smaller, more testable set.
>
> Thanks,
>
> AWK
>
> Andrew Kirkpatrick
>
> Group Product Manager, Accessibility
>
> Adobe
>
> _akirkpat@adobe.com_ <mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com>
>
> _http://twitter.com/awkawk_ 
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttp-253A-252F-252Ftwitter.com-252Fawkawk-26data-3D02-257C01-257Cakirkpat-2540adobe.com-257Cca969dfd8a4a4e21f6e408d559ede8cc-257Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1-257C0-257C0-257C636513800714094670-26sdata-3DsYITmzrmcIzPXaBCJCP-252BsEUsnKXwY86bLKc48kfaISA-253D-26reserved-3D0&d=DwMGaQ&c=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg&r=_9rqR3xSCWQUlv9VpOcJwkP7H0XWQXmxeMmqQl6Fikc&m=-tGRnd0O2NeyJOdIqJyQWFXmkvidfIdbh1qC5CLQd4w&s=iTQ4dPkVbrNtmKyIDL_nEMJYTUyxZ1VMTYKpE73JneU&e=>
>
> *From: *Alastair Campbell <_acampbell@nomensa.com_ 
> <mailto:acampbell@nomensa.com>>*
> Date: *Friday, January 12, 2018 at 13:16*
> To: *Andrew Kirkpatrick <_akirkpat@adobe.com_ 
> <mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com>>*
> Cc: *WCAG <_w3c-wai-gl@w3.org_ <mailto:w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>>*
> Subject: *Re: Possible wording for 1.3.4?
>
> AWK:
>
> > If I use HTML in a “living standard” way today and include all of the 
> appropriate meanings/purposes that are defined, but then HTML adds 
> meanings, how will I be able to handle my conformance? I haven’t 
> changed the site, but the list changes. We can’t leave that open-ended.
>
> As per Michael’s email on the other thread: Conformance is at a 
> particular date, so it’s the standard at the time.
>
> This was one of the reasons that the W3C has tried to ‘version’ HTML 
> though, so your conformance could also reference a specific version, e.g:
>
> _https://www.w3.org/TR/html52/sec-forms.html#autofill-field_ 
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>
> -Alastair
>
>

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