Re: Possible wording for 1.3.4?

I agree with Jason.  I like having HTML 5.2 (or any standard) for a stake
in the ground, but I think we can get around having that in the actual SC
language as Jason describes..   We can reference it in the Understanding.

-Marc

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 12:55 PM, White, Jason J <jjwhite@ets.org> wrote:

> No, I think it’s testable in that it only applies to the field types
> supported by the technology being used.
>
>
>
> *From:* Andrew Kirkpatrick [mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, January 12, 2018 12:53 PM
> *To:* White, Jason J <jjwhite@ets.org>; Marc Johlic <marc.johlic@gmail.com>;
> WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
>
> *Subject:* Re: Possible wording for 1.3.4?
>
>
>
> Jason,
>
> My concern is that without attaching a reference to a defined list this
> becomes untestable.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> AWK
>
>
>
> Andrew Kirkpatrick
>
> Group Product Manager, Accessibility
>
> Adobe
>
>
>
> akirkpat@adobe.com
>
> http://twitter.com/awkawk
>
>
>
> *From: *"White, Jason J" <jjwhite@ets.org>
> *Date: *Friday, January 12, 2018 at 12:51
> *To: *Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>, Marc Johlic <
> marc.johlic@gmail.com>, WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
> *Subject: *RE: Possible wording for 1.3.4?
>
>
>
> For content implemented using technologies that support specifying the
> purpose of specific types of form input fields, the purpose of each such
> field of a supported type can be programmatically determined.
>
>
>
> *From:* Andrew Kirkpatrick [mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com <akirkpat@adobe.com>]
>
> *Sent:* Friday, January 12, 2018 12:29 PM
> *To:* Marc Johlic <marc.johlic@gmail.com>; WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
> *Subject:* Re: Possible wording for 1.3.4?
>
>
>
> Thanks Marc.
>
>
>
> Here’s a version with further edits:
>
> In content implemented using technologies with support for identifying the
> expected meaning for form input data, the meaning can be programmatically
> determined for each user interface component that accepts user input
> corresponding to the user; inputs matching a meaning provided in the HTML
> 5.2 Autofill field names
> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FTR%2Fhtml52%2Fsec-forms.html%23autofill-field&data=02%7C01%7Cjjwhite%40ets.org%7C99e76206120a43d0157708d559e214d4%7C0ba6e9b760b34fae92f37e6ddd9e9b65%7C0%7C0%7C636513749899118798&sdata=YIsK5eWlo1OU%2BXq%2BdOXr245xRPZEfIvd5o6LCBeCjL0%3D&reserved=0> must
> expose that meaning except if the technology being used does not support a
> corresponding autofill meaning.
>
>
>
> What do people think?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> AWK
>
>
>
> Andrew Kirkpatrick
>
> Group Product Manager, Accessibility
>
> Adobe
>
>
>
> akirkpat@adobe.com
>
> http://twitter.com/awkawk
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> *From: *Marc Johlic <marc.johlic@gmail.com>
> *Date: *Friday, January 12, 2018 at 12:03
> *To: *Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>, WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
> *Subject: *Re: Possible wording for 1.3.4?
>
>
>
> I like the idea / premise and would +1 this replacing the wording in 1.3.4
> - and even keeping it at AA with this idea / premise / wording.
>
>
>
> I know we're out of time, but I would like to simplify the wording of the
> SC if possible.  Sorry - no ideas right off the top of my head..  I'll try
> to come up with suggestions.  It really just boils down to being as simple
> as Leonie asked..  if your tech supports autofill, use it - but I know the
> SC language needs to cover all of the bases.  (It just took me a few read
> throughs to "get it").
>
>
>
> Even if the wording stays as is, I would +1 this replacing current 1.3.4
> wording - and leaving in as AA.
>
>
>
> -Marc Johlic
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 10:43 AM, Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>
> wrote:
>
> This SC seems to be saying that when using HTML input fields to collect
>     user information, the input element needs to have the autocomplete
>     attribute set with a value corresponding to the expected information
>     (based on the tokens defined in HTML5.2). Is this right?
>
> That is right. Of course there isn’t a value needed for every input, just
> the ones with the meaning that matches the list.
>
> The SC also applies to other technologies that support autofill. If a
> technology other than HTML supports autofill and has some of the values
> that HTML 5.2 supports, those values need to be supported when using that
> technology also.
>
> AWK
>
>
>
>     On 12/01/2018 14:47, Andrew Kirkpatrick wrote:
>     > OK, so here’s a new attempt at language for 1.3.4.
>     >
>     > This language is below. Several concerns are addressed:
>     >
>     >   * Uses a small and already-established list of values, based on the
>     >     values in HTML5.2, but only imposes those values on other
>     >     technologies if those technologies share the same values.
>     >   * Well-established browser support for input autofill, and
> provides a
>     >     pathway for cognitive AT innovation.
>     >   * Addresses a need established by the COGA group related to
> difficulty
>     >     filling out forms as well as providing the personalization
>     >     enhancements development pathway.
>     >   * WCAG doesn’t need to provide a specific list of inputs by
>     >     referencing the HTML list, but that list is versioned with HTML
> so
>     >     the level of testability doesn’t change until we update the
>     >     reference in WCAG 2.2 (or silver) to either an updated HTML or
>     >     COGA/ARIA spec.
>     >   * Specifically targeted to the user, so this isn’t for EVERY input
>     >     control, just a handful in the HTML spec (~40) that relate to
> common
>     >     user information (name, address, phone, credit card).
>     >
>     > Title: Support Common Input Fields
>     >
>     > SC Text:
>     >
>     > In content implemented using technologies with support for
> autofilling
>     > form inputs, the meaning of each user interface component that
> accepts
>     > user input corresponding to the user can be programmatically
> determined;
>     > inputs matching a meaning provided in the HTML 5.2 Autofill field
> names
>
>     > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FTR%2Fhtml52%2Fsec-forms.html%
> 23autofill-field&data=02%7C01%7Cakirkpat%40adobe.com%
> 7C6fb521158e4c4022002908d559d1ba79%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de
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>     > that meaning except if the technology being used does not support a
>     > corresponding autofill meaning.
>     >
>     > Note:
>     >
>     > The set of meanings for inputs is based on HTML 5.2. It is not
> expected
>     > that every technology supports the same set, so content implemented
>     > using a technology that supports a subset of the HTML 5.2 autofill
>     > meanings is not required to provide support for meanings that are not
>     > supported by that technology.
>     >
>     > Note:
>     >
>     > Some technologies are expected to provide a list of meanings that is
> a
>     > superset of the HTML 5.2 set; authors are encouraged to implement
>     > support for additional meanings in their content in order to provide
> a
>     > better experience for users.
>     >
>     > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
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> 2Fguidelines%2Findex.html%23identify-common-purpose&
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>     >
>     > If you like it, or don’t like it, please speak up ASAP!
>     >
>     > Thanks,
>     >
>     > AWK
>     >
>     > Andrew Kirkpatrick
>     >
>     > Group Product Manager, Accessibility
>     >
>     > Adobe
>     >
>     > akirkpat@adobe.com
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