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Re: CFC - Changes to Target Size for Issue 631

From: Denis Boudreau <denis.boudreau@deque.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 09:00:19 -0500
Message-ID: <CAC=s1AhVQ8H-Egu1_gLsGC-PcZ5MzuwhuLWTHs51AsCnqXY3HQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: Glenda Sims <glenda.sims@deque.com>
Cc: Kathy Wahlbin <kathy@interactiveaccessibility.com>, "Detlev Fischer (TK)" <detlev.fischer@testkreis.de>, "w3c-wai-gl@w3.org" <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
+1 to Kathy's proposal


/Denis


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On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 8:57 AM, Glenda Sims <glenda.sims@deque.com> wrote:

> +1 to the Kathy Wahlbin version from this morning
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> On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 8:19 AM, Kathy Wahlbin <kathy@
> interactiveaccessibility.com> wrote:
>
>> Here is what I would propose:
>>
>> The size of the target for pointer inputs is at least 44 by 44 CSS pixels
>> or is at least 26 by 26 CSS pixels with 8 CSS  pixels spacing between
>> targets except when:
>>
>> Equivalent - The target is available through an equivalent link or
>> control on the same page that is at least 44 by 44 CSS pixels;
>> Inline- The target is in a sentence or block of text;
>> User Agent Control - The size of the target is determined by the user
>> agent and is not modified by the author.
>> Essential- A particular presentation of the target is essential to the
>> information being conveyed;
>>
>>
>> This is based on the Microsoft research that the MATF looked at.  I am
>> travelling so I can't pull up the study paper.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Detlev Fischer (TK) [mailto:detlev.fischer@testkreis.de]
>> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 7:55 AM
>> To: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
>> Subject: Re: CFC - Changes to Target Size for Issue 631
>>
>> Hi Kathy,
>>
>> can you make a quick draft for this?
>>
>> I guess the problem is that it might be too late for another draft. And
>> we still have the issue of lists of links, in dropdown menus and the like -
>> we would need to have a number what spacing (or target height) we would
>> consider sufficient, and might end up where we were (44x22). Or am I
>> missing something?
>>
>> Detlev
>>
>> Am 11.01.2018 um 04:30 schrieb Kathy Wahlbin:
>> >
>> > -1  As mentioned on previous call, changing the SC to single dimension
>> > is not meeting the needs of the end user.
>> >
>> > What if we went back to 44x44 CSS pixels and added an additional
>> > exception that the minimum target size does not need to be met if
>> > there is sufficient spacing between targets.  That would help users
>> > with tremors and other mobility challenges to be more successful in
>> > hitting the target area while allowing designers to have smaller
>> > target regions.
>> >
>> > So the designer would have two options – meet the minimum requirements
>> > for target size (keeping the current exceptions) or having a smaller
>> > target size but making sure that targets have minimum spacing between
>> > them.
>> >
>> > *From:*Andrew Kirkpatrick [mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com]
>> > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 10, 2018 1:55 PM
>> > *To:* WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
>> > *Subject:* CFC - Changes to Target Size for Issue 631
>> > *Importance:* High
>> >
>> > Call For Consensus — ends January 12 at 1:45pm Boston time.
>> >
>> > The Working Group has discussed a change to the Target Size SC in
>> > response to issue 631 (https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/631) and
>> > discussion. This was discussed on the call
>> > (https://www.w3.org/2018/01/10-ag-minutes.html#item06)
>> > <https://www.w3.org/2018/01/10-ag-minutes.html#item06%29>.
>> >
>> > The specific changes are detailed in this pull request:
>> > https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/pull/678 (see implemented at
>> > http://rawgit.com/w3c/wcag21/Issue631/guidelines/index.html#target-siz
>> > e)
>> >
>> > If you have concerns about this proposed consensus position that have
>> > not been discussed already and feel that those concerns result in you
>> > “not being able to live with” this decision, please let the group know
>> > before the CfC deadline.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > AWK
>> >
>> > Andrew Kirkpatrick
>> >
>> > Group Product Manager, Accessibility
>> >
>> > Adobe
>> >
>> > akirkpat@adobe.com <mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com>
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