Re: Agenda for AGWG Call, Tuesday May 1, 2018

I understand your point, because one tests all the requirements separately
does not mean they don't all have to be true to conform. I 'think', and
could be wrong, that the Full Pages Note breakpoints conformance
requirement covers the issue you have identified.

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On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 8:05 PM, Jonathan Avila <jon.avila@levelaccess.com>
wrote:

> A simple example like the following puts white text over a white
> background when you zoom in.   The content is still there – the contrast is
> just 0.
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> http://mraccess77.github.io/reflow.html
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> Zooming may or may not trigger responsive breakpoints.  Breakpoints, fluid
> sites, or other methods will be needed for SC 1.4.10.  If we don’t need to
> test other SCs for different breakpoints and the zoom user is forced into
> the breakpoint then there can be issues that the low vision user is forced
> into but prevent him/her from using the page.  For example, I’ve seen
> keyboard accessible pages that when flipped into a responsive view have
> keyboard focus issues because suddenly something that was displayed in one
> view is layered behind content in a responsive view but not taken out of
> the focus order.  I’ve also seen radio buttons that morph into combo boxes
> in different responsive views.   The roles of these items don’t reflect the
> new visual meaning failing SC 1.3.1 and breaking keyboard patterns.  So at
> the very least we have to test each breakpoint that the zoom user will be
> thrown into NOT by our choice.  We can’t say ok—you can zoom in but the
> site doesn’t actually have to have sufficient contrast anymore.  Or you can
> zoom in but now there is no indication of keyboard focus.  What’s the point
> of zooming in if the site then fails the other requirements of WCAG?  The
> content and functionality may be there but users can’t actually use it.
> That seems to go against the intent of the having the functionality and
> content be available.
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> Jonathan
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> *From:* Katie Haritos-Shea <ryladog@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 1, 2018 7:48 PM
> *To:* Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com>
> *Cc:* WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
> *Subject:* Re: Agenda for AGWG Call, Tuesday May 1, 2018
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> Thank you Alastair, I had just never thought about where a page reflows
> and would shift the text around over a background before - other than for
> text in SPAs - where we always suggest having a border or blur around text
> to accommodate any change to the background behind the text for 1.4.3. I
> don't think I have ever seen an example like the Hilton site before.
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> I want to weigh in on the combining SC issue - I am not for it. It adds
> too many layers of complexity. Each requirement needs to be testable
> independently IMO. If one wants that, one needs a SC that combines such
> things, as in the 1.4.12 that combines line height, letter spacing,
> paragraph spacing and word spacing wrapped into one SC.
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>
> ** katie **
>
> *Katie Haritos-Shea *
> *Principal ICT Accessibility Architect *
>
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>
> People may forget exactly what it was that you said or did,
> but people will never forget how you made them feel.......
>
> Our scars remind us of where we have been........they do not have to
> dictate where we are going.
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 7:00 PM, Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com>
> wrote:
>
> Katie wrote:
>
> > The contrast change that Jon demonstrated (thanks that this was in the
> minutes) Hilton site is something I was entirely unaware of. Thanks for
> bring it to our attention, apparently again.....:-)
>
>
> Just to note, that’s a non-responsive site that has somehow managed to
> find a way to not expand a background whilst everything else expands. Some
> absolute positioning and z-index stuff going on there.
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> You can see the logo in the top right stay fixed to the viewport, whilst
> the rest of the layout expands underneath.
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> If something fails 1.4.10 like this, I don’t think you can fail it on
> contrast on top of that? It isn’t providing other views (in the way the new
> note describes), so simply fails on 1.4.10
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> There are examples where a page reflows and text shifts around over a
> background though, which is where the question came from.
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> Cheers,
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> -Alastair
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