- From: Patrick H. Lauke <redux@splintered.co.uk>
- Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2017 11:18:39 +0000
- To: Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com>, "w3c-wai-gl@w3.org" <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
On 24/12/2017 09:34, Alastair Campbell wrote: >> This aspect (of the copying from a piece of paper, or presumably then >> from another handheld device) isn't clear from the normative language. > > We are not trying to specify what is happening on the user-end, just what the site cannot rely on. You *are* if you normatively say that a site cannot rely on "transcribe information", aka copying. >> Is this "copying" related to CAPTCHAs? Because again, this is a separate >> issue I'd argue, not an authentication one. It's a "challenge" rather >> than "authentication". > > If you have to transcribe a captcha to authenticate then yes, if it is separate, no. That's not *authentication* (who I am). It's a challenge/verification (I am human). While "authentication" as a general term means "verifying a particular fact to be true", in web/computing it has the narrower definition of "verifying a user's identity". A challenge can be *part* of an authentication form/dialog, but it's a separate issue (just like a login/sign-in form can have things like use of "color alone", etc). CAPTCHAs are a topic to themselves, and combining authentication/CAPTCHA so blurrily into one topic is what's also causing problems here. >>> Sure, it could have a username/password and the content doesn't block pasting. >>> The kiosk may not have anything to paste from, there is no user-benefit in that scenario, but the content passes. >> >> Hoping that this gets very explicitly mentioned as an example in >> understanding then. Maybe it even warrants a note in the normative >> language, to talk about user agent/environment limitations? > > Is the content requirement not clear? Do we state that you can't (usually) use a screenreader in a kiosk environment? > > The understanding doc does need updating, I can help with that early next year so long as everyone can live with the SC text for now. > But for now I'm hitting the road for Christmas, see you on the other side 😊 I'd argue that the normative language of the SC is currently (as demonstrated in this thread) not clear enough. Hoping the soon-to-be-updated understanding helps, but as it's non-normative, I think there's still quite a lot of gray area that makes this SC problematic as a whole. -- Patrick H. Lauke www.splintered.co.uk | https://github.com/patrickhlauke http://flickr.com/photos/redux/ | http://redux.deviantart.com twitter: @patrick_h_lauke | skype: patrick_h_lauke
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