Re: timeouts

So an airline page or a concert ticket page, where you have a limited 
time to complete the entire checkout process before the seat is released 
to others, would fail if the remaining time were shown at the top of 
each page in the checkout process?


On 12/1/2017 9:24 AM, Andrew Kirkpatrick wrote:
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> As I understand it, the problem is that multiple notifications creates 
> problems. Another interpretation of this is that there can only be one 
> warning in a process covering a series of pages, but that runs into 
> problems with the conformance model.
>
> Thanks,
>
> AWK
>
> Andrew Kirkpatrick
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> Group Product Manager, Accessibility
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> Adobe
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> *From: *Michael Gower <michael.gower@ca.ibm.com>
> *Date: *Friday, December 1, 2017 at 12:20
> *To: *Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>
> *Cc: *WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
> *Subject: *Re: timeouts
>
> I read this that if an author notifies a user more than once, the page 
> fails. What is the rationale?
>
> Michael Gower
> IBM Accessibility
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> From: Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>
> To: "W3c-Wai-Gl-Request@W3. Org" <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
> Date: 2017-12-01 07:36 AM
> Subject: Re: timeouts
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> For context, at TPAC the language that was nearly agreed to was:
>
> Where data can be lost due to user inactivity, users are warned about 
> the estimated length of inactivity that generates the data loss unless 
> the data is preserved for a minimum of 20 hours of user inactivity.
>
> Lisa is proposing:
>
> Where data can be lost due to user inactivity, users are warned 
> @@once, before an activity timer is set,@@ about the estimated length 
> of inactivity  that generates the data loss, unless the data is 
> preserved for a minimum of 20 hours of user inactivity.
>
> So, the main change is the addition of “once, before an activity timer 
> is set”. I think that we need to acknowledge that the amount of time 
> before the timer is set may be measured in milliseconds, but it is at 
> least ahead of time. I’m less sure about the “once” part but can live 
> with it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> AWK
>
> Andrew Kirkpatrick
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> Group Product Manager, Accessibility
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> Adobe
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> akirkpat@adobe.com
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> *From: *Mike Elledge <melledge@yahoo.com>*
> Reply-To: *Mike Elledge <melledge@yahoo.com>*
> Date: *Friday, December 1, 2017 at 09:37*
> To: *WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>*
> Cc: *"lisa.seeman@zoho.com" <lisa.seeman@zoho.com>*
> Subject: *Re: timeouts*
> Resent-From: *WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>*
> Resent-Date: *Friday, December 1, 2017 at 09:36
>
> +1
>
> On Friday, December 1, 2017 8:47 AM, John Foliot 
> <john.foliot@deque.com> wrote:
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> +1
>
> JF
>
> On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 10:00 AM, lisa.seeman <lisa.seeman@zoho.com 
> <mailto:lisa.seeman@zoho.com>> wrote:
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> The coga task force can live with the following wording for time outs
>
>
>  Where data can be lost due to user inactivity, users are warned once, 
> before an activity timer is set, about the estimated length of 
> inactivity  that generates the data loss, unless the data is preserved 
> for a minimum of 20 hours of user inactivity.
>
> however we do object to the  change the hours from 20 to 24 , but we 
> would rather it goes in with that change then be left out.
>
> All the best
>
> Lisa Seeman
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