Fwd: Re: Wrapping up CFC

Forwarding my +1 for Character key shortcuts to the list

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Subject:  Re: Wrapping up CFC
Date:  Wed, 15 Nov 2017 09:53:05 -0500
From:  Kim Patch <kim@redstartsystems.com>
Reply-To:  kim@redstartsystems.com
Organization:  Redstart Systems
To:  Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>
CC:  Joshue O Connor <josh@interaccess.ie>, Michael Cooper 
<cooper@w3.org>, Kathy Wahlbin <kathy@interactiveaccessibility.com>



Hi Andrew,

I think we are on the same page functionally, just thinking about this 
differently.

(For practical purposes I still don't think this is an instance of 
single character key shortcut because you have to press another key to 
get to the box, and because you have to press multiple keys to do this 
so it doesn't cause a problem. I see what you are saying about the 
shortcut being different for a second instance, but the second instance 
is not independent, you can't choose Zaire and then also choose another 
country, so I'd argue that the original tab is in a practical sense part 
of the shortcut for any change of choice. If the focus is set 
programmatically as long I remain in that focus it doesn't cause a 
problem. So from a practical sense I would not want to turn that 
shortcut off.

But in the end if this SC is understood as worded, developers will do 
the right thing.)

So, having said that, I think the text is okay, just overly complicated. 
I'm not going to stand in the way of letting it go through like it is. I 
can live with it, and I generally think it's good. +1

Cheers,
Kim

On 11/15/2017 8:52 AM, Andrew Kirkpatrick wrote:
>
> Kim,
>
> Yours is the only comment against the CFC on Character Key Shortcuts, 
> and I would like to resolve it.
>
> My take on your objection is that I don’t think that you are reading 
> the SC text correctly.
>
> If you are comfortable with allowing single character key shortcuts 
> for focused components then I believe that the SC text is ok. If you 
> are not ok with allowing character key shortcuts for focused 
> components I am hoping that you can explain why and provide some examples.
>
> The main examples that are raised are list boxes and select elements 
> where typing ahead provides a shortcut to a specific part of a lengthy 
> list (e.g. e.g. “z” jumps you to Zaire in a list of countries instead 
> of needing to work your way through the many countries that come 
> before it. You indicated that “tab + z” is the shortcut, but I don’t 
> buy that as the shortcut is based on the component and tab isn’t part 
> of it because it is part of the higher-level navigation system. If you 
> hit tab to get to the control and then “z” you would get to the z 
> countries, but if you then hit “b” you would get to the b countries 
> and then “z” again would take you to the z countries, and tab is not 
> needed for these additional shortcuts (nor is it for the first “z” 
> since if focus was set programmatically then the shortcut still applies).
>
> We don’t want to create problems, but are not aware of any that are 
> created by this language and know that not having it will create 
> problems and we have received comments to this effect.
>
> Thanks in advance for your thoughts on this.
>
> Thanks,
>
> AWK
>
> Andrew Kirkpatrick
>
> Group Product Manager, Accessibility
>
> Adobe
>
> akirkpat@adobe.com
>
> http://twitter.com/awkawk
>

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Redstart Systems
(617) 325-3966
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www.redstartsystems.com <http://www.redstartsystems.com>
- making speech fly

Blog: Patch on Speech
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