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RE: CFC - Proposed definition for 'Programatic Notification'

From: Repsher, Stephen J <stephen.j.repsher@boeing.com>
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2017 19:02:47 +0000
To: Jonathan Avila <jon.avila@levelaccess.com>, WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Message-ID: <d8a7c3997ec643eeb537b64ff3b609d4@XCH15-08-08.nw.nos.boeing.com>
I agree with Jonathon, and would add that his point is enforced by saying “announced”, which is biased towards certain users.  It also uses “notification” in the definition which is a practice we should avoid.

Ultimately, I think the real solution here is to reword the SC to not use such a term.  “Programmatic notification” implies (and the definition doesn’t help) that content beyond the “change of content” is needed, but that is not the case.  What is needed is a programmatic association given to the new content.

I also find the shopping cart example confusing because it seems like that is exempt by being the result of a user action.

I’m sorry I missed reviewing this in detail on the survey.  This all needs further discussion in my opinion.


From: Jonathan Avila [mailto:jon.avila@levelaccess.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 1:25 PM
To: WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Subject: RE: CFC - Proposed definition for 'Programatic Notification'

-1.  The definition seems to allow for using the speech API in a browser to speak something.  This type of “announcement” may work for some users but doesn’t seem like a solution that works for different types of users with disabilities.  A programmatic notification should be something that could be converted into different formats – speech, braille, pop-up, vibration, etc.  If I am misunderstanding then I’d be happy to change my vote.


From: Joshue O Connor [mailto:josh@interaccess.ie]
Sent: Tuesday, October 3, 2017 1:06 PM
To: WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org<mailto:w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>>
Subject: CFC - Proposed definition for 'Programatic Notification'

Call For Consensus — ends Friday October 6th at 1:00pm Boston time.

The Working Group has a new proposed definition of "Programmatic Notification" as found in the Change of Content SC.

The DFN text is:

Programmatic notification.

Notification set by the content which can be announced to the user without virtual or actual focus, using methods that are supported by user agents, including assistive technologies.

Example: a screen reader announces to a user that their shopping cart has been updated after they select an item for purchase.

And can be viewed here: https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/commit/b5c68e17f82feb0cdbbafc273f245b136a7445c4

This was discussed on todays call: https://www.w3.org/2017/10/03-ag-minutes.html#item09

This definition was previously missing from WCAG 2.1 and the proposal is to add it.

If you have concerns about this proposed consensus position that have not been discussed already and feel that those concerns result in you “not being able to live with” this decision, please let the group know before the CfC deadline.

Joshue O Connor
Director | InterAccess.ie
Received on Tuesday, 3 October 2017 19:03:26 UTC

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