Re: Proposal for support personlization AA from John, Chris, Jan and myself

Yes this is correct David, with the additional note, that whichever of the
above mechanisms is chosen, it is done so consistently across related web
pages.  In a way, allowing each website to define its own analog to JF's
"taxonomy". The key here being the consistency of the identification of
purpose within the defined scope of pages.

On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 4:24 PM, David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

> I'm guessing that the "purpose" of most of the items in question can be
> provided by the ACCESSIBLENAME although sometimes extra information may be
> needed. I would also call this "metadata".
>
> Any plugin that identifies attributes and personalizes should
> automatically sniff the ACCESSIBLENAME, ACCDESCRIPTION, ROLE, VALUE, and
> STATE and if those provide the purpose of the control then map it to the
> corresponding "purpose" bucket.
>
> For instance, if the visible labels on controls (ACCNAME) contain the
> purpose (listed below) then that should provide the purpose for
> customization plugins without redundantly providing coga-personalization or
> aria-describedbya title attribute etc.
>
> *From inputs: *
>
>    - name (corresponds to both first and family),
>    - first name,
>    - family name,
>    - initial,
>    - phone (corresponds to a user phone number),
>    - cell phone,
>    - address 1,
>    - city,
>    - state,
>    - country,
>    - post code,
>    - credit card,
>    - credit card security code,
>    - dates: expiry date, birth date, today's date, date start, date end
>    - calendar data: day, *month, *year,
>
>
> *Buttons or controls (editing):*
>
>    - compose,
>    - delete,
>    - next,
>    - previous,
>    - submit,
>    - undo,
>    - cancel,
>    - buy,
>    - add label,
>    - move,
>    - view,
>    - save,
>    - send,
>    - received,
>    - sent,
>    - edit,
>    - reply,
>    - forward,
>    - my profile,
>    - upload,
>    - close,
>    - more,
>    - calendar,
>    - entry,
>    - expand,
>    - unexpanded,
>    - open,
>    - new,
>    - print,
>    - settings,
>    - mode,
>    - higher,
>    - lower.
>
>
> *Buttons or controls (navigation): *
>
>    - home,
>    - contact us,
>    - our phone,
>    - our email,
>    - site map,
>    - help,
>    - about us,
>    - terms,
>    - tools,
>    - comment,
>    - language,
>    - sign in,
>    - sign up,
>    - product,
>    - services,
>    - social,
>    - post,
>    - contact us,
>    - help,
>    - chat help
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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> On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 3:39 PM, Chris McMeeking <
> chris.mcmeeking@deque.com> wrote:
>
>> I think in the triple A criteria you can remove "across a set of
>> webpages". To me this was placed there to scope "consistently" as in the
>> "series of webpages" needs to identify the purpose of controls
>> "consistently". I think in the AAA case, we specifically don't want that,
>> and would want metadata to be scoped more broadlly (fixed taxonomy, not per
>> web page/series of web pages taxonomy). I'm also not sure what "and
>> modified" is getting at and agree as well. I propose the folloowing:
>>
>> *In content implemented using markup languages, the purpose of
>> conventional controls[1] can be consistently, programmatically
>> determined through the use of metadata.  *
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 3:31 PM, lisa.seeman <lisa.seeman@zoho.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> hi Jason
>>>
>>> I agree that the AAA the word "modified" should be removed. The AAA
>>> might not be  quite finished yet.
>>> I am also happy with the "*user interface component" *change
>>>
>>> Any objections? Chris? John?
>>>
>>> All the best
>>>
>>> Lisa Seeman
>>>
>>> LinkedIn <http://il.linkedin.com/in/lisaseeman/>, Twitter
>>> <https://twitter.com/SeemanLisa>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---- On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 22:24:11 +0300 * White<jjwhite@ets.org
>>> <jjwhite@ets.org>>* wrote ----
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* John Foliot [mailto:john.foliot@deque.com]
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 19, 2017 2:59 PM
>>>
>>>
>>> *@(AA): In content implemented using markup languages, the purpose of
>>> conventional controls[1] can be consistently, programmatically determined
>>> across a set of web pages.*
>>>
>>> *[Jason] By “consistently” do you mean by the same means, or something
>>> more? That is, are you trying to ensure that the same representation is
>>> used everywhere within a set of conforming pages, or is there more to it? I
>>> think clarification would be helpful either in the text of the proposal or
>>> in a definition.*
>>>
>>> *@(AAA):*
>>>
>>> *In content implemented using markup languages, the purpose of
>>> conventional controls[1] can be consistently, programmatically
>>> determined and modified across a set of web pages through the use of
>>> metadata or semantics. *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *[Jason] I don’t know what “modifying” the purpose of a “conventional
>>> control” amounts to, or how to satisfy this aspect of the proposal. If you
>>> mean that the state or value of the conventional control can be modified
>>> (i.e., “programmatically set”), then that’s already in 4.1.2, indeed for
>>> all user interface components rather than just for those you list. If you
>>> really intend modification of the purpose, then it isn’t clear what that
>>> would entail. I suggest dropping the “and modified” provision, or
>>> clarifying and rewriting it.*
>>>
>>> *Also, consider whether to use the term “user interface component”
>>> (already in WCAG) rather than “control” in the proposal. Having two
>>> synonymous or almost synonymous terms in the document is only likely to be
>>> confusing.*
>>>
>>>
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