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Re: Question: placeholder label option

From: Sailesh Panchang <spanchang02@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 02:54:07 +0000 (UTC)
To: WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>, "Patrick H. Lauke" <redux@splintered.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1440812035.715121.1479869647332@mail.yahoo.com>
Patrick-
You interpreted my intent correctly. The HTML5 specs regard it as a 'label' for a select control. That's why I asked. I am aware of the general limitations of the placeholder attribute.
Thanks,
Sailesh
 

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On Tue, 11/22/16, Patrick H. Lauke <redux@splintered.co.uk> wrote:

 Subject: Re: Question: placeholder label option
 To: "WCAG" <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
 Date: Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 3:38 PM
 
 On 22/11/2016 20:29,
 David MacDonald wrote:
 > Independent of
 the <select> specific element, it appears to me that
 the
 > Placeholder attribute reports
 accurately to the ACCESSIBLENAME in the
 >
 API for all interactive elements. From that perspective it
 seems to be
 > sufficient. Where it is not
 sufficient is that it disappears when the
 > user enters the field, so the moment they
 enter the filed, there is no
 > visible
 label which fails 3.3.2.
 >
 > We may want to look at techniques where
 the placeholder floats visibly
 > above
 the interactive element on focus.
 
 However, Sailesh's question is not about
 the placeholder *attribute*, 
 but rather the
 <option> as part of a <select> which is
 designated as the 
 placeholder label option
 (see 
 https://dev.w3.org/html5/spec-preview/the-select-element.html#placeholder-label-option)
 
 The placeholder label option
 should be exposed as part of the accessible 
 name calculation (if this is not yet
 spec'd, it should). I believe this 
 is
 the part that Sailesh was driving at.
 
 Beyond that yes, similarly to the placeholder
 *attribute*, the 
 placeholder label option
 has the same shortcoming of effectively 
 "disappearing" (at least for
 non-AT/sighted users) once another 
 selection has been made.
 
 P
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