Minutes of the Silver sub-group of 2 September 2016

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                             Silver Subgroup

02 Sep 2016

    See also: [2]IRC log

       [2] http://www.w3.org/2016/09/02-silver-irc

Attendees

    Present
           AWK, jeanne, Shawn

    Regrets
    Chair
           none

    Scribe
           jeanne

Contents

      * [3]Topics
          1. [4]Review timeline
      * [5]Summary of Action Items
      * [6]Summary of Resolutions
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    <Lauriat> Design methods ranking spreadsheet:
    [7]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1C4Wqf-g-0X_HqbJ-4euF
    S_U0xEISnURnilV6TJk7FQs/edit?usp=sharing

       [7] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1C4Wqf-g-0X_HqbJ-4euFS_U0xEISnURnilV6TJk7FQs/edit?usp=sharing

    SL: The Most Flexible option needs an emphasis on research,
    discovery and communication so that the project can pivot and
    change as needed.
    ... Stakeholder map is high for every option
    ... Survey is high because of research and broad communication
    ... Stakehholder interviews - we write a series of questions
    and use those to base the interviews.
    ... Self reporting is giving people a diary with questions on
    how they use WCAG over several weeks.

    AWK: If we were to conclude that SIlver had to be able to be
    updated annually (just for example) what would we need to hear
    in order for us to come to that conclusion?

    SL: What would help us inform that decision would be looking at
    how WCAG is used today, what are the adaptations of WCAG, and
    what people are going outside WCAG for that should have been
    included in WCAG.

    AWK: Having something easy to update speaks more to the policy
    side -- large clients or countries saying "this is our target".
    ... the big question seems to be the achievability of
    successfully keeping that target year after year.
    ... some say that they are just achieving WCAG and don't want
    t6o change it, or the country is just adopting WCAG.
    ... but if we set a target where we were constantly updating
    WCAG and decoupling policy from WCAG.

    SL: There are sections of technology that have to guidelines or
    success criteria to apply, and are only evaluated as if they
    were flat content.
    ... the most flexible option is vitally important for the
    people who are using the guidelines to create the content.

    AWK: I see the flexibility option as being more about updating.
    I see us heavily weighting the input from people who are most
    concerned about adopting the guidelines -- large shops rather
    than the small accessibility shop who only has to add a new
    test if an SC is added.

    SL: The Flexible Option is focused on developing a structure
    that can be changed as technology changes.
    ... as opposed to the Design Driven approach is oriented toward
    identifying all the issues and cover everything that can be
    covered.

    AWK: When I think about the most flexible category -- all the
    things that go into the other options will all still apply to
    this option.

    AWK Contentual Inquiry would be low. I assosiate flexible with
    faster progress.

    JS: I think Secondary Research is looking at other standards
    organizations and see how they have addressed similar problems
    to WCAG. I rate this as medium, because the things we learn
    from other organizations may not be implementable in the W3C.
    ... I rate Case Studies as high because we will need concrete
    examples and research to justify any change to a more flexible
    structure. The flexible structure will shake some influential
    stakeholders and will need a lot of evidence to justify that
    change.

    SL: Personas and User Stories will be needed to form the
    structure of updating --- that updates need to follow a rigid
    structure where every update is compared to the Persona and
    User Stories.

    JS: Which will themselves need to have an update and
    maintenance process.
    ... Report will be high because of the influential stakeholders
    that need a lot of evidence.

    <scribe> scribe: jeanne

    JS: I think the Ideation options should be medium except the
    survey which is high for broad communication.

    AWK: So many groups talking about WCAG devolve into opinions

    SL: Let's rate the facilitated workshop as low, and the other
    workshops as medium
    ... Voting could be broad input, but subgroup choice makes sure
    that the option is kept in mind.

    AWK: What are we voting on?

    JS: the best ideas to move on the prototyping phase.

    SL: What the structure of Silver will be.
    ... For the impact of "most flexible" both of them are medium
    ... the difference with prototyping in the other options is
    that they will be less fleshed out. FOr Design Driven and Most
    Flexible there will be more time spent in detailed prototypes.

    AWK: Is it real testing, or is it an orchestrated review of
    prototypes?

    SL: It would be real testing. We would put a prototype in front
    of users have them go through how they would use Silver, and
    give them an update model and ask them how they would go
    through that.

    JS: It will need a broad number of users, and have them use it.
    We would need to have tested with a lot of different
    stakeholders.

    [fast agreement on Experimentation, not minuted]

    JS: Voting and Subgroup are medium, because they will all feed
    the WCAG WG decision.

    <AWK> +AWK

    SL: task force should be a high, and it should have technology
    focused members.
    ... Milestones are high

    JS: Crowdsourcing input -- making it easier for people to
    contribute bits and pieces of what they see need to have
    updated, then having it go to the WG for refinement and
    approval.

    SL: It would be easier than to have proposals from people in
    the working group.
    ... Writing workshop -- I think TPAC and annual updates.
    ... individual writers are medium
    ... for the Production phase, we will be focusing a lot more on
    the continuous evolution of Croudsourcing and Writing Workshop
    (F2F).

Review timeline

    SL: We have spent time coming up with all the options and now
    it is time to write them up and refine them.

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

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