Re: 1.3.1 question

Alan,
You keep saying 1.3.2, but to clarify, you mean 1.3.1, yes?  (1.3.2=meaningful sequence, 1.3.1=information and relationships)

Thanks,
AWK

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Group Product Manager, Accessibility
Adobe

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From: "alands289@gmail.com<mailto:alands289@gmail.com>" <alands289@gmail.com<mailto:alands289@gmail.com>>
Date: Friday, April 1, 2016 at 17:36
To: Katie GMAIL <ryladog@gmail.com<mailto:ryladog@gmail.com>>, Jonathan Avila <jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com<mailto:jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com>>, Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com<mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com>>, WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org<mailto:w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>>
Subject: RE: 1.3.1 question

I did not mean to start a whole new topic. I have always thought it was required for 1.3.2.

Following Katie’s thought, it would be “two or more of the same navigation regions are on a page” would cover others besides navigation or nav regions.

Regards,

Alan

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Subject: RE: 1.3.1 question

If a technique is written, it might say “when two or more navigation regions are on a page….”

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Subject: RE: 1.3.1 question


Ø  With a page that has multiple “navigation regions” labeling is important.

IMO, if a page has multiple landmarks such as multiple navigation regions at the same level then they would need an accessible name.  Providing an accessible name for the sole header at the top of the page and the sole footer at the bottom of the page seem too verbose in my opinion.  So if we choose to require accessible names for landmark we need to be very as to when they would be required so we have a testable way to make a determination.

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From: ALAN SMITH [mailto:alands289@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 4:53 PM
To: Andrew Kirkpatrick; WCAG
Subject: RE: 1.3.1 question

It is my understanding that they also need labeling beyond the announced “Contentinfo or footer landmark/region” or “Navigation landmark/region”.  Window-Eyes grabs the adjacent text in the code and appends it to the label it displays in its Landmarks list. This is not always what the landmark really is and can be misleading.

Since all the screen readers can jump to landmarks/regions it is a valuable item to have on the page.
It provides an understanding of the structure and meaningful sequence which is 1.3.2.

With a page that has multiple “navigation regions” labeling is important.

Is it required? For 1.3.2 I think so.
1.3.2 is a very vague and often ambiguous guideline IMO.

Regards,

Alan

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Subject: 1.3.1 question

Jon raised a question in response to a tweet from Paul Adam and we would like to get the group’s opinions.

The issue is #171 (https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/171) and speaks to the need to follow techniques such as ARIA11 (https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/ARIA11.html) to mark regions of a page.

The discussion so far is that authors might accomplish this with HTML5 elements (e.g. Header, footer, etc) or using ARIA landmark roles  (e.g. Navigation, contentinfo, main).

SC 1.3.1 reads:
Info and Relationships: Information, structure, and relationships conveyed through presentation can be programmatically determined or are available in text.

What do people think?  For a site like http://google.com – does this page fail 1.3.1 because it doesn’t mark the header and footer areas?

Thanks,
AWK

Andrew Kirkpatrick
Group Product Manager, Accessibility
Adobe

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