RE: Should techniques move to HTML5?

Thanks for the test file Andrew.

 

A quick check with FF 43.0.1 and NVDA (2015.2) and when going through the rows, Wednesday is not being announced, and so it fails.

 

FWIW


JF

 

From: Andrew Kirkpatrick [mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 11:26 AM
To: jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com; WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Subject: Re: Should techniques move to HTML5?

 

It’s a good point Jon. 

 

I tried an HTML5 file with td’s with scope (http://awkawk.github.io/table_td_scope_5.html) and found that at least on OSX that the scope attribute is honored.  I’m not sure how other combinations deal with this…

 

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AWK

 

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From: Jonathan Avila <jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com <mailto:jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com> >
Date: Friday, December 18, 2015 at 11:03
To: Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com <mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com> >, WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org <mailto:w3c-wai-gl@w3.org> >
Subject: RE: Should techniques move to HTML5?

 

*  HTML5 explicitly disallows the use of scope on TD elements.

 

I think the first question we need to agree on is whether  td with a scope in HTML5 is or is not a WCAG 2 violation.  If we see it as a violation then I would propose adding in a comment that this would not be a failure under HTML 4/XHTML.

 

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From: Andrew Kirkpatrick [mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 10:47 AM
To: WCAG
Subject: Should techniques move to HTML5?

 

Hey, we received a new issue from Mark Rogers (https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/127) which notes an issue in F91.  F91 includes an allowance for a table header to be identified with <td scope=“col”> but HTML5 explicitly disallows the use of scope on TD elements.

 

We could:

1. Add in "(HTML4 and XHTML only)” for the line in the procedure that allows for this
2. Change the entire technique to HTML5 and removing the TD scope line in the procedure.
3. Make a new, very similar failure for HTML5 that removes the TD scope line.

I’m sure that we aren’t interested in encouraging TD with scope, but as a failure we need to be careful.

 

What do people think?  Is there a downside to adapting this and other techniques to HTML5, even if it means losing some HTML4 content?

 

Thanks,

AWK

 

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