Re: CfC: Checkbox and Radio button labels and 1.3.1

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> On Nov 23, 2015, at 8:43 AM, Katie Haritos-Shea <ryladog@gmail.com> wrote:
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> +1
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>> On Nov 22, 2015 3:32 PM, "David MacDonald" <david100@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> Andrew's response is my understanding of WCAG consensus which was in play during the creation of the WCAG. Personally, I would have voted for forcing the "click the label to select" paradigm ... but that was not the consensus. If the title or other invisible label reports the visible label in a programmatic way (today via the API), I believe this was the main concern during the formation of the WCAG.
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>> I need to put aside my personal preferences in favour of being true to what I know was the consensus of the time, which I respect.However, I would be fine with revisiting this in an extension spec or even WCAG.next
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>> I think however, we could add a fail a missing of a visible label on focus but that is a separate issue.
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>>> On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 6:41 AM, Detlev Fischer <detlev.fischer@testkreis.de> wrote:
>>> I responded on Github.H ere is what I wrote:
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>>> "
>>> I think that in cases where individual labels are used next to checkboxes or radio buttons, they constitute a part of the respective control. That's why I think it is fair to mandate an explicit association for those cases to aid the many users with motor impairments that find it hard to place a mouse click on the control itself.
>>> I would allow for exceptions only in cases where the design does not allow for sufficient space for individual visible labels, as in the case of checkboxes placed within tables. Here, the title attribute, aria-label attribute of some accessibility`supported programmatic association with table headers via aria-labelledby can be used.
>>> So like Adam, I think it fair to define a failure for cases where the label is adjacent to the control but authors have failed to make the connection programmatically determinable.
>>> "
>>> 
>>> I'd add that the minimal requirement expressed in the proposed consensus focuses unduly on the needs of screen reader users for whom markup would work either way. From the perspective of the many visually impaired and motor-impaired users, having clickable visual labels is to something I would not be shy to mandate. It's very easily done natively and has been good practice for many years.
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>>> On 21 Nov 2015, at 20:34, Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com> wrote:
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>>> > https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/122#issuecomment-158676010
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