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Re: Should PDF documents have headers and footers on every page?

From: David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2015 22:15:56 -0400
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To: Gregg Vanderheiden <gregg@raisingthefloor.org>, WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
PS I've added the following paragraph to the analysis to clarify.

"Note: The WCAG2ICT maps each PDF Document to a single unit rather than a
number of pages.
http://www.w3.org/TR/wcag2ict/#keyterms_document
It says:

replacing “on a Web page” with “in a non-web document or software”

This means that the document is the unit of measurement for WCAG
conformance. This does not affect this discussion about making important
information available to screen reader users.

To see an example of this in WCAG2ICT see 1.4.2 in WCAG2ICT
http://www.w3.org/TR/wcag2ict/#visual-audio-contrast-dis-audio

Cheers,

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On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 9:45 PM, David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

> Hi Gregg
>
> Are you concerned that this recommendation could confuse our mapping of a
> full PDF document to a web page for WCAG (WCAG2ICT)? I don't really see it
> that way. I think our WCAG2ICT is fine and stable and not affected.
>
> People will refer to "pages" of this PDF "web page" the same way that they
> might refer to any other Section  of a document, and we have existing
> techniques to do that currentlyPDF17, PDF14. We can't pretend the page
> numbers in the PDF don't exist, can we? It is visually presented and we
> need to make a way to programmatically expose it without annoying screen
> reader users with all kinds of redundancy and interruptions.
>
> Our current advice in PDF14 contradicts itself. It advises authors to make
> headers and footers (and page numbers) available to screen readers using
> the MS Word footer tags, which actually turns them into artifacts that are
> ignored by screen readers. We also say use "pagination artifacts which are
> also ignored. So we look pretty dumb I think. In the same sentence saying
> to do something to make it programmatically accessible which renders it NOT
> programmatically accessible.
>
> I'm simply suggesting we clean up the language, be more specific, and
> coordinate with the PDF/UA on this particular issue. I don't think this any
> way compromises WCAG2ICT or changes the definition of the Web Page under
> the WCAG. It exposes information in an accessible and elegant way by
> syncing pages using PDF17 Technique and marking headers and footers up as
> artifacts, and providing important information on the Title page, and
> section headings, so screen reader users know what is going on.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> David MacDonald
>
>
>
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>
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> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 7:47 PM, Gregg Vanderheiden <
> gregg@raisingthefloor.org> wrote:
>
>> For documents - a full document is equated to a web page.  See WCAG2ICT
>> report.
>>
>> *gregg*
>>
>> ----------------------------------
>> Gregg Vanderheiden
>> gregg@raisingthefloor.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 9, 2015, at 4:12 PM, David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I have compared what PDF/UA with WCAG say about headers and footers and
>> have written up a small report and recommendations on how I think we should
>> proceed with Headers and Footers in PDF documents.
>>
>> http://davidmacd.com/blog/pdf-headers-footers.html
>>
>> I think PDF14 requires an update quickly. I could take an action item to
>> propose the rewrite.
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> David MacDonald
>>
>>
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>> On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 9:54 PM, Jonathan Avila <
>> jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  David, there are some good but very specific reasons to not artifact
>>> header and footer information.  Otherwise running headers and footer should
>>> be made pagination artifacts and the Page Labels feature should be used to
>>> add Page numbering including section information to identify pages and
>>> sections to assistive technology.  The page label feature is pretty
>>> powerful and allows flexibility for different number schemes such as Roman
>>> numbers and custom label prefixes.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Some instances of header and footer information that might be useful
>>> include classification information on classified documents, copyright
>>> information, form numbers, or other content that is not located elsewhere
>>> in the document.  In general I recommend marking that content as
>>> non-artifact content on the first and last page so it does not break up the
>>> reading order of content.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jonathan
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> *From:* David MacDonald [mailto:david100@sympatico.ca]
>>> *Sent:* Monday, May 18, 2015 2:50 PM
>>> *To:* WCAG
>>> *Subject:* Should PDF documents have headers and footers on every page?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We have a technique for Creating PDF headers and footers, usually
>>> inserted
>>> using the source program such as MS Word Headers and Footers. See PDF14.
>>>
>>> http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/PDF14.html
>>> This causes the screen reader to announce these Headers and footers at
>>> the
>>> top and bottom of every page. Sometimes the interrupt reading halfway
>>> through a sentence that continues on the following page. I can imagine
>>> this
>>> is quite annoying for screen reader users tp have to listen through a
>>> header and a footer between every page.
>>>
>>> Visually we just skip over it... Usually most of the information found
>>> in the header and footer is available on the home page of the document or
>>> some other prominent place.
>>>
>>> What is useful is page numbers. However, if the author syncs the page
>>> numbering of the PDF with the document large numbers using PDF17, it
>>> makes
>>> me wonder if we should advise the author to mark headers and footers as
>>> artifacts instead...
>>>
>>> An organization that teaches PDF, which is fairly well known, and has
>>> done
>>> work for Adobe teaches to turn these headers and footers into artifacts
>>> so
>>> they will be ignored by a screen reader.
>>>
>>> I propose we place a note on PDF14 saying something like this:
>>>
>>>  "If the page numbering has been synchronized as in PDF17 and other
>>> header
>>> and footer information is available in a prominent place in the document
>>> such as a heading or home page, then headers and footers are not
>>> necessary
>>> and can be marked up as artifacts..."
>>>   Cheers,
>>> David MacDonald
>>>
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>>
>>
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