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Re: H86: Providing text alternatives for ASCII art, emoticons, and leetspeak

From: Eric Eggert <ee@w3.org>
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2015 14:49:53 +0200
To: "Andrew Kirkpatrick" <akirkpat@adobe.com>
Cc: "David MacDonald" <david100@sympatico.ca>, "Steve Faulkner" <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>, "w3c-wai-gl@w3.org" <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Message-ID: <E180ABCF-5CA5-4A68-8C11-3AE6961CB2DB@w3.org>
On 28 Apr 2015, at 14:22, Andrew Kirkpatrick wrote:

> My question to Steve that he may have missed was ”what’s wrong 
> with the abbr example?” but David you seem to be raising an argument 
> for not using abbr, which would suggest also removing H28 
> (http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20150226/H28).

Just a quick thought mainly for the H28 discussion (I am not an ASCII 
art connoisseur and don’t know exactly about leetspeak):

I think this is more a screen reader bug and I would consider adding the 
information there is better practice than leaving it out completely, 
even if the user needs to activate the feature in assistive 
technologies.

Also this has implication for people with cognitive disabilities, for 
example, that can’t get to descriptions. While there may be a user 
group that isn’t helped using a technique, we shouldn’t rule it out 
for other user groups. It might also be provided to screen reader users 
by default in the future.

Cheers,
Eric

>
> Any additional information is appreciated!
> Thanks,
> AWK
>
> From: David MacDonald [mailto:david100@sympatico.ca]
> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 6:29 PM
> To: Steve Faulkner
> Cc: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
> Subject: Re: H86: Providing text alternatives for ASCII art, 
> emoticons, and leetspeak
>
> Agree that we could drop the abbr. It's kind of a hack, and JAWS has 
> abbr support turned off by default, so the abbr may not even speak.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> David MacDonald
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> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Steve Faulkner 
> <faulkner.steve@gmail.com<mailto:faulkner.steve@gmail.com>> wrote:
> http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/H86.html
>
> suggest adding ARIA-fied example (from html5 spec)
>
> <figure role="img" aria-labelledby="fish-caption"
> <pre>
> o           .'`/
>   '      /  (
> O    .-'` ` `'-._      .')
>    _/ (o)        '.  .' /
>    )       )))     ><  <
>    `\  |_\      _.'  '. \
>      '-._  _ .-'       '.)
>  jgs     `\__\
> </pre>
> <figcaption id="fish-caption">
>  <cite>Joan G. Stark, "fish"</cite>.
>  October 1997. ASCII on electrons. 28×8.
> </figcaption>
> </figure>
>
> Also question the use of <abbr> in this technique:
> <abbr title="Austin Rocks">Au5t1N r0xx0rz</abbr>
> --
>
> Regards
>
> SteveF
> HTML 5.1<http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/>




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Eric Eggert
Web Accessibility Specialist
Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) at Wold Wide Web Consortium (W3C)
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