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Re: Using CSS to insert Content

From: Mike Elledge <melledge@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2015 14:23:41 +0000 (UTC)
To: Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>, David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>, James Nurthen <james.nurthen@oracle.com>, WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Message-ID: <1918687048.3448787.1427898221079.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Hi All--
Is using CSS to inject content into a webpage appropriate? I'm sure others on this list remember the "separate content from presentation" mantra from years past.
This seems to violate a basic rule of web design...

     On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 9:30 AM, Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com> wrote:

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Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 8:45 AM
To: James Nurthen; WCAG
Subject: Using CSS to insert Content    Hi James As a follow up to our discussion yesterday about inserting content using <q> with the CSS fallback. It appears to be an IE problem.

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