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Re: Aria-labelledby for form controls- examples

From: james nurthen <james.nurthen@oracle.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 15:00:16 -0700
Message-ID: <52323970.7060602@oracle.com>
To: David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>
CC: Sailesh Panchang <spanchang02@yahoo.com>, "w3c-wai-gl@w3.org" <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>

I think this is certainly good practice but I can't see where it would 
be required by WCAG. We should certainly mention this in the 
aria-labelledby techniques where appropriate though. If you find places 
where we should add some discussion can you flag them to the Task Force.


On 9/12/2013 2:55 PM, David MacDonald wrote:
> I'm out of town training this week and so just skimming the discussion...
> But I think we should discuss the bidirectional referencing of <label for> and labelledby... During my teaching today a programmer approached me and discussed the advantages of <label for> in that it if a user clicks on the label in any modern browser the puts focus in the form field... And this helps people with dexterity problems, even it the aria labelledby gets the accessible name.
> So it would be something like this example...
> http://rawgithub.com/w3c/aria-in-html/master/index.html#aria-labelledby-and-aria-describedby
> I notice this is what Steve Faulkner did in the using aria in html5 note...
> Cheers
> David MacDonald
>  From my iPad
> On 2013-09-12, at 12:16 PM, Sailesh Panchang <spanchang02@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Hello James,
>> The third issue about the checkbox:
>> Before the example, there is a paragraph which explains  why the checkbox needs a specific identifier.
>> The 'check to compare' serves little or no purpose, I'd say even visually,  but it is part of the UI.
>> But I'll reiterate as a VI user  that  It is text that can be safely be ignored by AT to avoid cluttering verbosity. So I believe the aria-labelledby markup is good as is.
>> Agree?
>> Ref: http://mars.dequecloud.com/demo/form-markup.htm#tech9
>> About role=group write-up:
>> What I have already submitted is a specific technique for grouping related form controls generally usable when one is constrained by design to use fieldset-legend technique. So please review  / discuss and consider for incorporating into techniques.
>> As I wrote it, it will be good if others can comment.
>> Also review other changes / comments :
>> See
>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag2-techs/2013May/
>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag2-techs/2013Aug/0000.html
>> Thanks,
>> Sailesh
>> --------------------------------------------
>> On Wed, 9/11/13, james nurthen <james.nurthen@oracle.com> wrote:
>> Subject: Re: Aria-labelledby for form controls- examples
>> To: "Sailesh Panchang" <spanchang02@yahoo.com>
>> Cc: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
>> Date: Wednesday, September 11, 2013, 1:17 PM
>> On 9/11/2013 7:52 AM, Sailesh Panchang wrote:
>>>         On 9/10/2013
>>>     7:54 AM, Sailesh Panchang
>>>           wrote:
>>> Please review:
>>>     Aria-labelledby for form controls
Received on Thursday, 12 September 2013 22:00:48 UTC

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