- From: James Nurthen <james.nurthen@oracle.com>
- Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:05:55 -0800
- To: Protocols and Formats Working Group WG <w3c-wai-pf@w3.org>, WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Reminder - no meetings Dec 24 and Dec 31 2012
Minutes at http://www.w3.org/2012/12/17-html-techs-tf-minutes.html
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Happy Holidays,
James
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
HTML Techniques Task Force
17 Dec 2012
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2012/12/17-html-techs-tf-irc
Attendees
Present
James_Nurthen, Loretta, Marc_Johlic, Jon_Gunderson,
Adam, [IPcaller]
Regrets
Chair
SV_MEETING_CHAIR
Scribe
jamesn
Contents
* [3]Topics
* [4]Summary of Action Items
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[5]https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/26_11_2012/
[5] https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/26_11_2012/
[6]https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/26_11_2012/
[6] https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/26_11_2012/
[7]https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/26_11_2012/results
[7] https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/26_11_2012/results
[8]http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_aria-describedby
[8] http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_aria-describedby
[9]http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_aria-describedby
[9] http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_aria-describedby
<scribe> scribe: jamesn
we are looking at example 3 according to the diff as this is
the new part
LGR: Example 3 doesn't seem like 1.1.1
... A screen reader would read that every time focus hits
JN: It depends on the screen reader
... described is read automatically by some and some it says
may need additional info
LGR: Maybe we should expand this technqiue to cover more than
1.1.1
<marcjohlic> [10]http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Techniques/ARIA
[10] http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Techniques/ARIA
MJ: 3.3.2 seems to cover this
... If this was labelled as ARIA-6. If 111 and 332 referenced
aria-6, woudl that be too confusing
LGR: there are examples which address multiple success
criteria. Have to be very careful how you write the description
... It doesn't talk at all about how aria-describedby works. It
assumers you know how it works.,
... I don't like this description much
... Have a feeling I commented this on an earlier survey
<Loretta> Argh! I'm having wireless problems again.
<Loretta> I tried dialing in from my desktop, but I think there
is no mic.
<Loretta> I canhear you.
<Loretta> RIght.
<Loretta> I may try skype again.
<Loretta> Maybe I should try revising the description.
<Loretta> Sure.
<Loretta> ok
JN: group consensus seems to be that it is ok to edit anyone
else's technqiue so long as you back it up with survey comments
and good tracking
... LGR to update description
LGR: will try to make the technqique description more general
so we can merge the describedby techqnieus
[11]http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_aria-labelledby_to_conc
atenate_a_label_from_several_text_nodes
[11] http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_aria-labelledby_to_concatenate_a_label_from_several_text_nodes
[12]https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/26_11_2012/results
[12] https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/26_11_2012/results
[13]https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/11262012/results#xconc
at
[13] https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/11262012/results#xconcat
JN: Jons commetn in first survey
JG: Track 1 and Track 2 don't mean much. Wouldn't the time be
more useful
LGR: The reason didn't put in the labelledby is that they are
already the table headers
JG: swicth screen reader modes?
LGR: do you duplicate the header information in the text of
each cell
JG: probably in forms mode.
LGR: If in table mode will probably be repeated
... we will have to add ids to the column header cells and add
the time information
JN: part of what determines forms mode vs table mode is the
amount of information in the table
LGR: whatever we put out could be used as the model
JN: concern as to how people misread technqiues - may have
people looking at this as how you have to do this.
... changed example 3 based on JG commetns
... LGR comments on survey
<jongund>
[14]http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria/roles#namecalculation
[14] http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria/roles#namecalculation
JN: seems to be 2 parts to the first comment. 1) the test
description part, and 2) make sure the description covers what
happens about seperators
LGR: This has been fixed
JN: I generally tell people to put it on (tabindex=-1)
... but should wait and talk to Cynthia
LGR: why isn't this 1.1.1
JN: added 1.1.1
Stefan's comments on survey
[15]https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/11262012/results#xconc
at not yet addressed
[15] https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/11262012/results#xconcat
Summary of Action Items
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