- From: adam solomon <adam.solomon2@gmail.com>
- Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 12:32:18 +0300
- To: Sailesh Panchang <spanchang02@yahoo.com>, "Bailey, Bruce" <Bailey@access-board.gov>
- Cc: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
- Message-ID: <CALKv3=hifAa1oE-K_6DAwBePyEYXxqWvmX840DfQS-PLkp4hZw@mail.gmail.com>
Sorry for the delayed response, but I couldn't access the link until now for some strange reason (maybe ssa is finally going broke). I see where they have implemented tabindex to tab through the page. I tend to agree with Sailesh that the implementation is not good. Incorrect use of headers and too many tabindexed elements. I could build my own example predicated on this page. Am I correct that what you guys want to see from this example is a tabindex on the headers and on the text paragraphs (which should be marked up as <p>)? If so, we could modify the current example 2 from the proposed technique to include tabindex on the <p> elements. Please let me know exactly what you elements you think we should add tabindex to in the example, or how to change the example. Re: Jon's proposed example for tabindex, which is something like a tabs control widget, I think tabs control headers should always have links in them. The reason for this is that when one presses a tab header, he expects to be taken to the content of that tab. I don't think we should present an example of tabs control where links are not present in the headers, since for this control there is a native html fix and no need to use aria here. Please advise. On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 2:54 AM, Sailesh Panchang <spanchang02@yahoo.com>wrote: > Pardon me for jumping in but I looked at the Change of Address Form. I do > see it uses tabindex=0 but even on the form title "Please enter your info" > which is h1 and not an instruction. It does not have to be tab-navigable. > (For S508 para (n) only requires instructions are available ... do not have > to be ttabbable). > Every piece of text in that form is marked up with h<n> tag although they > are not section headings. In fact instructions are marked up as off-screen > labels for form controls and it reads a two line piece of text for a form > label! Visible labels marked up as h3 are not marked up as labels . > So a screen reader user is exposed to the same piece of text 2 or 3 times > which is a big obstacle for efficient access and task performance. > > This page should not be cited as an example for anything except for the > failure I have been encouraging the WCAG to consider for very long: > incorrect application of accessibility techniques poses an accessibility > barrier and should be strongly discouraged. > > Thanks, > Sailesh Panchang > > > --- On Sat, 9/3/11, Bailey, Bruce <Bailey@Access-Board.gov> wrote: > > > From: Bailey, Bruce <Bailey@Access-Board.gov> > Subject: RE: Tabindex on instructions > To: "Loretta Guarino Reid" <lorettaguarino@google.com>, "adam solomon" < > adam.solomon2@gmail.com>, "David MacDonald" <david100@sympatico.ca> > Cc: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org > Date: Saturday, September 3, 2011, 7:42 AM > > > > SSA has been using @tabindex=0 to make instructional text on forms > focusable for a while. > > Their guidance is available from here: > http://www.ssa.gov/oag/acq/oagacq_508.htm > > SSA's Guide to Applying Section 508 Standards: > > http://www.ssa.gov/oag/info/SSA's%20Guide%20to%20Applying%20Section%20508%20Standards.pdf<http://www.ssa.gov/oag/info/SSA%27s%20Guide%20to%20Applying%20Section%20508%20Standards.pdf> > > The relevant bit is on page 49 in relation to testing against 1194.22(n). > > The simplest example I could find of @tabindex is their change of address > form: > https://secure.ssa.gov/apps6z/ICOA/main.html > > You have to select the OK button to get the actual form. @tabindex=0 is > set on a DIV and a couple SPANs. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Loretta Guarino Reid [mailto:lorettaguarino@google.com] > Sent: Thu 9/1/2011 5:19 PM > To: Bailey, Bruce > Cc: adam solomon; David MacDonald > Subject: Tabindex on instructions > > This is the reminder email to send a pointer to your pages with focusable > instructions. > > > > > >
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