- From: David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>
- Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 09:42:39 -0400
- To: "'Gregg Vanderheiden'" <gv@trace.wisc.edu>, "'w3c-waI-gl@w3. org'" <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
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I totally agree that accessibility should ultimately apply to all electronic content, but policy makers are looking at where the WCAG applies in its current state, which is web content. I think we need to get that definition delineated as a group, in a way that offers help to policy makers understand as to when the WCAG committee considers an office document web content or when it is not. If we can't do that, then others will make there own definitions, in policy and in law, and maybe that's OK, but in that case we may see a fragmentation of standards... But I think as a committee, we need to at least be able to say whether we consider an Excel spreadsheet posted online is web content, and therefore whether WCAG applies to it or not. There is a lot riding on that simple position, both in law and in policy. Which is always a danger when policy and law issues get tangled up with the simple advice we give to people to make their content more accessible, which is our heart. David MacDonald www.eramp.com From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Gregg Vanderheiden Sent: May-21-11 2:04 AM To: w3c-waI-gl@w3. org Subject: Re: fyi - discussion in WCAG on -web-content Jan Richards wrote: And I would add that I think the issue of whether the file is at a URI or local is a bit of a red herring since it's very possible to have an HTML website in a local folder for local offline use. I agree If it is not on a web site, it is not web content. So it would not be bound by any laws relating to web content. And WCAG conformance provisions won't work. But a websot I THINK the original question had to do with conformance to a particular Canadian rule. If that rule is about web content - then content off of the web is not covered. If it does include content on and off the web -- then indeed this discussion is off target. In the end - I think (as Jan is suggesting I believe) that we should get out of thinking about web content being accessible and think about information being accessible - especially if it is in any kind of electronic form. Otherwise we end up with these strange conversations about something needing to be accessible if I email a link to it in my email but not if I include it as an attachment in my email. Gregg ----------------------- Gregg Vanderheiden Ph.D. Director Trace R&D Center Professor Industrial & Systems Engineering and Biomedical Engineering University of Wisconsin-Madison On May 21, 2011, at 12:02 AM, Boland Jr, Frederick E. wrote: fyi Best Tim Boland NIST _____ From: Richards, Jan [jrichards@ocad.ca] Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 10:11 AM To: Boland Jr, Frederick E. Subject: RE: fyi - discussion in WCAG on -web-content Hi Tim, Sure, thanks for asking. And I would add that I think the issue of whether the file is at a URI or local is a bit of a red herring since it's very possible to have an HTML website in a local folder for local offline use. ...and the Excel application...is definitely capable of being a web content Authoring Tool (as per ATAG2). Cheers, Jan -- (Mr) Jan Richards, M.Sc. jrichards@ocad.ca | 416-977-6000 ext. 3957 | fax: 416-977-9844 Inclusive Design Research Centre (IDRC) | http://idrc.ocad.ca/ Faculty of Design | OCAD University From: Boland Jr, Frederick E. [mailto:frederick.boland@nist.gov] Sent: May 20, 2011 9:58 AM To: Richards, Jan Subject: RE: fyi - discussion in WCAG on -web-content Thanks so much for your insights. Is it OK to forward this message on to Loretta (for contribution to WCAG discussion)? Best, Tim _____ From: Richards, Jan [jrichards@ocad.ca] Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 5:00 PM To: Boland Jr, Frederick E. Subject: RE: fyi - discussion in WCAG on -web-content Hi Tim, Thanks for the heads up... My 2-cents are that it depends. Excel docs are best considered web content when they include images, media, links to other resources etc. As you may know, we (the IDRC) did a project to produce guidance on how to produce accessible office documents. Here's the overview: http://adod.idrc.ocad.ca/overview In it, we had to figure out where to make a reasonable split between web content and office document content. Here's what we came up with: The ADOD Assessment Framework specifically targets office documents, which are defined as computer documents that are: * Intended to be used by people (i.e., not computer code), * Text-based (i.e., not simply images, although they may contain images), * Fully printable (i.e., where dynamic features are limited to automatic page numbering, table of contents, etc. and do not include audio, video, or embedded interactivity), * Self-contained (i.e., without hyperlinks to other resources unlike web content), and * Typical of office-style workflows (Reports, letters, memos, budgets, presentations, etc.). That said, it doesn't really matter too much since our ADOD assessment framework was just a subset of WCAG 2.0 anyway. Cheers, Jan -- (Mr) Jan Richards, M.Sc. jrichards@ocad.ca | 416-977-6000 ext. 3957 | fax: 416-977-9844 Inclusive Design Research Centre (IDRC) | http://idrc.ocad.ca/ Faculty of Design | OCAD University From: Boland Jr, Frederick E. [mailto:frederick.boland@nist.gov] Sent: May 19, 2011 4:13 PM To: Richards, Jan Subject: fyi - discussion in WCAG on -web-content There is an interesting discussion going on in WCAG WG list currently about definition of web content/web resource/user agent, in the context of Excel spreadsheet (is Excel -web-content)?. There is a lot on the GL mail list recently on this.. I mention this because may have relevance to/implications for ATAG (and previous AUWG discussions), and Jutta is mentioned in one of the posts I think. Just thought you might want to know.. hope I'm not violating any confidences, but the GL list I think is public.. Thanks Tim
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