- From: Gregg Vanderheiden <gv@trace.wisc.edu>
- Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:54:59 -0600
- To: <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
I don't think we want to tie the definition of web content to W3C technologies and specifications. That isn't consistent with W3C's view of the Web. As to downloads - I think the differentiator wasn't how the content was downloaded but how it was run or viewed. Via a user agent? Or not. Key may turn out to be the definition of user agent. Gregg -- ------------------------------ Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D. Professor - Ind. Engr. & BioMed Engr. Director - Trace R & D Center University of Wisconsin-Madison -----Original Message----- From: Robinson, Norman B - Washington, DC [mailto:Norman.B.Robinson@usps.gov] Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 11:45 AM To: Gregg Vanderheiden; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org Subject: RE: downloads Gregg, I think the original definition supplied in the editorial note needs clarification. To differentiate "web content" from "stand alone software" or "other products" that are "downloaded over the internet". My input: 1. I don't think how the web content is downloaded is a required attribute of this discussion. We could have a user agent working over a serial port, infra-red wireless connection or any other networking medium. It doesn't have to be an Intranet or an Internet. Just to clarify the network is not the content. 2. What confusion could a reader have in thinking "stand alone software or other products" are required to conform? Upon inspection one would find there isn't the basic code that matches web content (e.g., a java application, a downloadable calculator program) unless they were based on W3C technology recommendations. 3. Your original note included "data, software or other data...are not viewed by a user agent then they are not considered Web content...". I caution that since I can have data that is in web content format or software that is in web content formats as well there is need to revise and clarify. Unless you want to move to have the guidelines cover all software generically then I think the answer would involve tying the definition of (web) content to W3C technologies or specifications. Regards, Norman Robinson -----Original Message----- From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Gregg Vanderheiden Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 12:32 PM To: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org Subject: RE: downloads OK Cleaning that up a bit we have new wording for the note in the INTRODUCTION Editorial Note: The working group is considering adding the following note to the conformance section to differentiate Web Content from standard stand alone software and other products that are downloaded over the Internet and not viewed via a user agent. Note: If data, software or other materials are downloaded over the internet but are not viewed via a user agent then they are not considered Web content and are not covered by these guidelines. Everyone please look at this for today. Gregg -- ------------------------------ Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D. Professor - Ind. Engr. & BioMed Engr. Director - Trace R & D Center University of Wisconsin-Madison -----Original Message----- From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Roberto Scano - IWA/HWG Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 2:24 AM To: 'Gregg Vanderheiden'; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org Subject: RE: downloads What about to say: Editorial Note: The working group is considering adding the following note to the conformance section to differentiate Web Content from standard stand alone software and other products that are downloaded over the internet *or opened independently from the web content document*. Note: If data, software or other data are downloaded over the internet but are not viewed via a user agent then they are not considered Web content and are not covered by these guidelines. -----Original Message----- From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Gregg Vanderheiden Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 8:16 AM To: 'Roberto Scano (IWA/HWG)'; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org Subject: RE: downloads This is meant primarily to differentiate between Web content and - say - downloading a software program. If you see a way to tweak this - please post. Thanks. Gregg -- ------------------------------ Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D. Professor - Ind. Engr. & BioMed Engr. Director - Trace R & D Center University of Wisconsin-Madison -----Original Message----- From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Roberto Scano (IWA/HWG) Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 1:06 AM To: gv@trace.wisc.edu; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org Subject: RE: downloads Hi Gregg, A question. I think that every user can configure user agents for open contents both inside browser and as stand-alone. Some example: - pdf: can Be downloaded, open in Adobe Acrobat Reader or view inside web browser window. - ppt: can be downloaded, viewed directly in browser (with ie only) or view inside a Viewer. - mpeg: can Be downloaded, viewed directly in browser (using the default viewer that the user has choose to use: windows media, quicktime, realone, winamp, etc.) or view inside a viewer. So, are we sure that we have a right definition? Or you intend only client-side application download? ----- Messaggio originale ----- Da: "Gregg Vanderheiden"<gv@trace.wisc.edu> Inviato: 17/11/05 6.08.21 A: "w3c-wai-gl@w3.org"<w3c-wai-gl@w3.org> Oggetto: downloads The following note has been added to the Intro to reflect a decision at F2F to differentiate downloads from web content Editorial Note: The working group is considering adding the following note to the conformance section to differentiate Web Content from standard stand alone software and other products that are downloaded over the internet. Note: If data, software or other data are downloaded over the internet but are not viewed via a user agent then they are not considered Web content and are not covered by these guidelines. Add this to the discussion of the INTRO tomorrow. Gregg ------------------------ Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D. Professor - Depts of Ind. Engr. & BioMed Engr. 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