- From: Roberto Scano (IWA/HWG) <rscano@iwa-italy.org>
- Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 21:57:37 +0100
- To: <maurizio@usabile.it>, <michele@diodati.org>, <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
I don't think HTML working group would be happy about this: this means put in the trash can all their work from 1999 to today :)
Qnd in name of what? For poor knowledge of markup?
----- Messaggio originale -----
Da: "Maurizio Boscarol"<maurizio@usabile.it>
Inviato: 06/11/05 21.53.08
A: "michele@diodati.org"<michele@diodati.org>, "w3c-wai-gl@w3.org"<w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Oggetto: Re: Is validity the real issue?
Michele, I agree with your premises, but I can't understand your solution.
For my point of view, application/xhtml+xml mime type decrease the
chance of a page to be rendered: it will be rendered only if prefectly
well-formed.
At the moment, a lot of pages won't be rendered. So I can't understand
how this would help accessibility. At the opposite, I'm evaluating the
idea that wcag 2.0 should reccomend to use text/html mime type (and
backward compatibility guidelines of Apendix C) for any page whose you
are unsure you can grant the present and future validity. You should
only use application/xhtml+xml mime type when you're absolutely sure
that nothing can go wrong. That's rarely the case.
As you know, I personally think that something is better than nothing.
:) So, the XML specification that say that UA shouldn't attempt to
render invalid pages are wrong and against accessibility, because
decrease the chance of someone accessing something. But this is a
different topic: I just wanted to know if I understand your proposal.
Maurizio
Michele Diodati wrote:
>I would propose to the group to examine another point of view about
>validity issue.
>
>It seems to me that the real problem with requesting validity to
>developers is the ability of browsers to compensate for lacking of
>validity: they succeed in rendering even a web page with thousand of
>errors within. Though there are many good reasons to publish pages
>without (X)HTML errors, no one of these is decisive. A " " at the
>end of a page is enough to get invalid code; at the same time, today
>the front page of The New York Times <http://www.nytimes.com/> has 17
>errors and I can nevertheless read it.
>
>I think that requesting validity as a basic requisite for
>accessibility need something stronger than a vague possibility that
>something goes wrong with an AT. As developers, we need such a
>guideline that, if we do not apply it, the effect is immediately
>visible and unequivocal. So, if we think validity is indispensable, a
>solution could be to request, for every web page published, a
>content-type of application/xhtml+xml. In that case, validity is
>actually necessary: no validity no rendering of the page. (To address
>old browsers incapability with a content-type of application/xhtml+xml
>is always possible to create a server side switch for serving a
>content-type of text/html to all the old user agents.)
>
>Best regards,
>Michele Diodati
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