- From: Roberto Scano (IWA/HWG) <rscano@iwa-italy.org>
- Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 13:59:51 +0100
- To: <christophe.strobbe@esat.kuleuven.be>, <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
I wanna said only that authorize violation of other w3c spec. will difficulty have wcag 2.0 that pass in AC Representative vote.
----- Messaggio originale -----
Da: "Christophe Strobbe"<christophe.strobbe@esat.kuleuven.be>
Inviato: 04/11/05 12.58.21
A: "w3c-wai-gl@w3.org"<w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Oggetto: Re: Validity
Hi Roberto,
Christophe Strobbe wrote:
<blockquote>
Isn't this an element of "practical reality" that can be used as an
argument against requiring valid code at level 1? How does using <embed>
harm accessibility? Should WCAG ban content just because it uses a certain
technology or because the content (in spite of accessibility features of
the technology) is inaccessible?
</blockquote>
At 12:09 4/11/2005, Roberto Scano (IWA/HWG) replied:
<blockquote>
So should wcag authorize dtd violation? Should this be a precedent of a
Vendor choice that require to modify web standards for support proprietary
elements?
</blockquote>
No, I don't want a precedent for the introduction of proprietary elements.
The previous draft guarded against the introduction of random elements or
attributes [1]. I could live with that L1 SC (possibly without the clause
"for backward compatibility").
Christophe Strobbe wrote:
<blockquote>
Based on what you write above, it is not "Microsoft instead of Macromedia"
but "Microsoft and Macromedia" because the former company is responsible
for MSAA.
</blockquote>
At 12:09 4/11/2005, Roberto Scano (IWA/HWG) replied:
Yes this is true, like the choice of MM to use embed. So u would like
validity at level 2 or 3 so all the "soup" can be used?
</blockquote>
I find level 3 too low for validity, and people have mentioned practical
reasons for not requiring it at level 1.
However, I object to the implication that this discussion is about validity
versus all kinds of "tag soup". It never was, but some people on this list
use this simplistic dichotomy to push their point of view on others; they
say: "Tag soup is bad, so it's stupid not to require 100% conformance to
the specification." They ignore examples of invalid code that does not
cause accessibility problems. They ignore the existence of other L1 success
criteria that work against certain types of "tag soup" (GL 1.3 L1 SC1:
"Structures within the content can be programmatically determined", GL 2.4
L1 SC1: "Navigational features can be programmatically identified"). They
ignore arguments and questions that question their own point of view. When
reason turns into bigotry, I withdraw from the discussion.
Regards,
Christophe Strobbe
[1] http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/WD-WCAG20-20041119/#use-spec
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Christophe Strobbe
K.U.Leuven - Departement of Electrical Engineering - Research Group on
Document Architectures
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