- From: John M Slatin <john_slatin@austin.utexas.edu>
- Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 09:22:19 -0600
- To: "Gregg Vanderheiden" <gv@trace.wisc.edu>, <jasonw@ariel.its.unimelb.edu.au>
- Cc: "Al Gilman" <Alfred.S.Gilman@IEEE.org>, <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Gregg wrote: <blockquote> Perhaps we are confusing the term "standard" in its two meanings. One is "the way most people do it" and the other is " the way you must do it to conform". </blockquote> Perhaps "conventional" or "typical" would be better terms to use for that first sense of the word "standard." For example, it has become "conventional" to use the link text "More ..." for a link to the continuation of a news item. By contrast, the HTML standard (in this case a specification) requires that the link text is enclosed within an anchor element. Use of the alt attribute to provide a text alternative for an img element is both standard (in that it's required by the HTML specification) and (almost) conventional, in that it is now fairly widespread on the Web (certainly more widespread than it was five years ago). Hope this helps. John "Good design is accessible design." John Slatin, Ph.D. Director, Accessibility Institute University of Texas at Austin FAC 248C 1 University Station G9600 Austin, TX 78712 ph 512-495-4288, f 512-495-4524 email jslatin@mail.utexas.edu web http://www.utexas.edu/research/accessibility/ -----Original Message----- From: Gregg Vanderheiden [mailto:gv@trace.wisc.edu] Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 7:36 am To: jasonw@ariel.its.unimelb.edu.au Cc: John M Slatin; 'Al Gilman'; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org Subject: RE: Key results and recommendations from Face to Face Hi Jason, I still don't follow your thoughts. Help me here. If there are several acceptable methods then there are several acceptable methods. If there is only one - then there is only one. What is in the techniques doc does not change that fact. Being in the techniques doc may make one approach more known. And it may give the user of the technique more evidence that it is a good technique. And it may be used more. (is that what you mean by de-facto standard?). But it does not make it normative. And it does not require the user to use it to conform. Perhaps we are confusing the term "standard" in its two meanings. One is "the way most people do it" and the other is " the way you must do it to conform". Gregg Gregg Vanderheiden writes: > Pretty good Jason, except where you made the leap to "if there is no > standard than whatever techniques says is de facto standard". This is not > true. If there is no standard and supported manner then there is none > -- and you can't comply with that technology. In the original post I was trying to clarify what I believed to be one of the central issues Al raised. Suppose a format specification provides features that allow a certain requirement to be met in several different ways. That is, there are various distinct usage practices that would satisfy the WCAG success criterion. To support accessibility, content developers and software implementors need to know which to support. The most likely outcome is that the techniques documents would fill the void left by the absence of, or inconsistencies among, usage practices with respect to the success criterion. In substance, the techniques documents would be legislating by specifying one or more of the alternative solutions allowed by the format specification; and this is what would give rise to the accusation I mentioned of conferring a de facto authoritative status on the techniques. One answer might be to adopt a technique development process whereby proposed techniques are implemented first, tested for efficacy, and only then integrated into a document; the techniques documents might then be truly statements of empirical fact rather than disguised norms.
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