- From: Gregg Vanderheiden <gv@trace.wisc.edu>
- Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 18:08:25 -0500
- To: "'Joe Clark'" <joeclark@joeclark.org>, "'WAI-GL'" <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Hi Joe, Which submissions are more important? None that I know of. Which ones get acted on more quickly? Ones that have suggested solutions. Especially if the solutions also address other issues in the bug list and don't create any new ones. Are comments in one location referenced and handled more than in other locations? Eg. Bugzilla? Confounded question. We put all comments from public list, and from meetings, and from the maillist (where we can pull a question or suggestion out) into Bugzilla. Then, when we are working on a guideline, we review all of the submissions for that guideline and try to address as many as we can. Thus if you post a comment to a guideline today that we start working on tomorrow - you may see your comment acted on immediately. If you post a comment to a guideline that we don't work on for awhile, then that comment will sit there until we do. Once we work on a guideline, we clear all the comments we can. Some hard ones though, where we don't have a good solution, stay open while easy ones get closed. The easy ones aren't more important - and we close the hard ones as soon as we can too. We close them as soon as we can find a solution. Sometimes hard ones take us awhile to solve. Often there are many more issues involved than a submitter raises. We have to find solutions that address them all. Any other perceived priority is either an artifact or just part of life. (e.g. people who make a comment in a meeting are heard by everyone in the meeting but comments made to the list are not always remembered in the meeting.) But most work is done offline with bugzilla as the reference point. Your comments get lots of attention. Sometimes we waste time digging through long posts to get to the issues. In very long posts, issues get lost if not summarized at the top. We recommend this. Sometimes the issues are tough and we don't have a solution that doesn't create a different problem. Then they sit til we do. If you can provide short succinct statements of the issue along solutions that address your issue - as well as the other issues posted to bugzilla, it makes it a lot easier. But just posting issues is still valuable and we will address them as fast as we can. Thank you for your question. Gregg -- ------------------------------ Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D. Professor - Ind. Engr. & BioMed Engr. Director - Trace R & D Center University of Wisconsin-Madison -----Original Message----- From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Joe Clark Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 11:37 AM To: WAI-GL Subject: WCAG WG must clarify hierarchy of submissions I petition the Working Group to *definitively clarify* which submissions regarding WCAG 2.0 are more important than others; which are automatically taken seriously and elicit comments or changes from the group; and which will, in practice, be ignored. >From what I can tell: * Anything anybody says at a face-to-face meeting is given priority in that meeting. If I'm the one who says it, however, it gets ignored once everybody goes home. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2003JulSep/0530.html> * Anything a Participant in Good Standing (PiGS), W3C Member, or W3C employee says is given highest priority everywhere, notwithstanding the foregoing. * Submissions to WAI Bugzilla-- nearly incomprehensible, in violation of WCAG guidelines, and nearly unknown to anyone who does not read the IG or GL mailing lists-- have next priority. * Submissions to the public-comments mailing list are allegedly read and considered. I view these submissions as next in priority. * Submissions to the GL list (and some to the IG list) are routinely ignored if they are not authored by a Participant in Good Standing (PiGS), W3C Member, or W3C employee. Otherwise, they are next in priority. * Any statement by any claimed activist for learning disability, dyslexia, or cognitive or mental impairment trumps all of the above and is immediately taken seriously and pushed to implementation. I ask for clarification because it seems, as in John Slatin's review of issues in a certain guideline, <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2004OctDec/0211.html> that Bugzilla entries have suddenly been given higher priority. Further, as we get down to the wire here and face the day when WCAG WG must fish or cut bait, I believe there has been no resolution at all of my previous complaints about being routinely ignored while certain other contributors have their proposals immediately rushed through has been resolved. -- Joe Clark | joeclark@joeclark.org Accessibility <http://joeclark.org/access/> Expect criticism if you top-post
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