- From: Wendy A Chisholm <wendy@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:59:17 -0500
- To: "Lee Roberts" <leeroberts@roserockdesign.com>, "'WAI-GL'" <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
images.google.com uses the alt-text of the image. search for "photo of" there are lots of images in the result, but pick one result: short uri (of one of the resulting images): http://tinyurl.com/ynm3 and long uri: http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=www.prairienet.org/upd/artwork/photo%2520of%2520phillips.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.prairienet.org/upd/phillipsrecreationcenter.html&h=245&w=425&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dphoto%2Bof%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3Dutf-8%26sa%3DG The only place that "photo of" appears on this page [1] is in the alt-text of the image. [1] http://www.prairienet.org/upd/phillipsrecreationcenter.html --wendy At 10:59 AM 12/3/2003, Lee Roberts wrote: >Ok, it's been awhile since I wrote mainly because I'm working with the >State of Oklahoma on their accessibility issues and the meetings happen >to coincide with our teleconference. So, please accept my apologies for >not making it to the WCAG WG meetings. I will return as soon as I can. > >Now, onto this particular issue. > >ALL search engines that use spiders/robots index using the ALT text. >Just because your test fails does not mean that you are correct. No >slighting here intended, but it is obvious to those that work in the >field of search engine optimization that you may not be aware that >Google has major problems right now. Any tests you perform on Google >currently my not work as it may have a few weeks ago nor as it may a few >weeks from now. Google has lost 100's of thousands of pages from their >index as a result of some major issues they are having. > >Now, let's simply put the issue to bed. In the webmaster help sections >for each search engine they state that you should use ALT text to >include additional keywords. The problem with this broad statement is >that many of the unethical and rookie SEO companies spam the search >engines through the medium of ALT and TITLE attributes. > >Of ALL the search engines I optimize for I have yet to find one that >uses the TITLE attribute, but all use the ALT attribute. > >Now, let's go one step further. Just because a _jaded_ test fails >doesn't mean that your test is a good test. If it is not a word or >phrase that is normally searched upon, that word or phrase may not be >indexed as of yet. So, perhaps you can answer this question. With all >the pages in the world available to me to index, why would I waste space >with something so minor that the only place you put it is in your ALT >attribute? If I were a search engine, I wouldn't. If you think the >search engines are rolling through billions of pages upon every search >entered you're mistaken. Those searches are cached searches that their >system performs every few days. > >I hope this helps. > >Sincerely, >Lee Roberts > > > >On 3 Dec 2003, at 11:35, Tom Croucher wrote: > > >>> Question: Do search engines really scan alt text given for > > images ? > > > > > Search engines and indexing is something I spent some time studying > > and as far as I am aware search engines do not use alt text in > > indexing in practice any longer. > >Lets try a simple test > ><http://www.google.com/search? >q=%22%5BFig%5D+Centred+elements+and+text%22> > >One hit (my site as it was the first one to come to mind with >reasonable alt text). The search text doesn't appear anywhere in the >document except in the alt text of the image. > >(and no Google, I didn't - I'm English :D ) > >-- >David Dorward >http://dorward.me.uk/ -- wendy a chisholm world wide web consortium web accessibility initiative http://www.w3.org/WAI/ /--
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