- From: John M Slatin <john_slatin@austin.utexas.edu>
- Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 14:49:45 -0600
- To: "Sailesh Panchang" <sailesh.panchang@deque.com>, <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <C46A1118E0262B47BD5C202DA2490D1A798D21@MAIL02.austin.utexas.edu>
The alt text on an image link can (for example) identify the destination of the link; the title attribute could indicate (for example) that the link opens in a new browser window. This would maintain the purpose of the alt attribute (to provide a text equivalent that conveys the same information and serves the same purpose as the image) and allow use of the title to provide context and orientation information, as Sailesh suggests. I would be happy as both user and designer if screen readers supported this behavior-- especially if they also reported screen text *and* title for text anchors (when the screen text and the title are different, that is). John "Good design is accessible design." Please note our new name and URL! John Slatin, Ph.D. Director, Accessibility Institute University of Texas at Austin FAC 248C 1 University Station G9600 Austin, TX 78712 ph 512-495-4288, f 512-495-4524 email jslatin@mail.utexas.edu web http://www.utexas.edu/research/accessibility/ <http://www.utexas.edu/research/accessibility/> -----Original Message----- From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Sailesh Panchang Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 1:40 pm To: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org Subject: Re: Title on image: [techs] Latest HTML Techniques Draft I beg to differ. Alt provides a short desc for the image. Title can be used in certain situations to provide additional info about the image- context or grouping, etc and can be used quite effectively for the benefit of vision impaired users. Some browsers display the title as a tool tip / on the status bar that can be accessed by sighted users as well. When an image is made a link and is accompanied by a redundant text link ( section 9.3 of HTML techniques doc), it is OK as the doc suggests to have a null alt (and a null title if I might add). That does not mean alt should not be used on images or image links and accordingly the techniques doc does not suggest that as it suggests that title should not be used with IMG element. The most effective way to convey the destination of an image that is a link (and has no adjacent text link) is through the alt and again the title on the IMG is not needed. Title attribute in the anchor might help for instance if the image link conveys a grouping not apparent to a non sighted user. While browser support for longdesc will improve over time and become consistent (I hope), it can be used to provide a fuller describtion of any image when circumstances warrant ... not just charts and tables. Sincerely, Sailesh ----- Original Message ----- From: Lee Roberts <mailto:leeroberts@roserockdesign.com> To: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 12:27 PM Subject: RE: Title on image: [techs] Latest HTML Techniques Draft Longdesc should be described as a link to another document that explains what the image is about and how it works if it is a chart or table. Note the _link_. The TITLE attribute can be used on the Anchor, but not in the <img> tag. The TITLE attribute should not be used on an image that is used for navigation. However, as the Anchor is used it can provided useful information using the TITLE attribute. I hope this helps. Sincerely, Lee Roberts -----Original Message----- From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Sailesh Panchang Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 11:25 AM To: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org Subject: Title on image: [techs] Latest HTML Techniques Draft Ref: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/WD-WCAG20-HTML-TECHS-20031104.html Section 10.2 says: Also while the title attribute can be used on most elements, it should not be used on the img element. The semantics of title are too easily confused with alt and longdesc... and browser support is inconsistent. Comment: This is a retrograde step... the title attribute is an excellent vehicle for conveying context / navigation specific info and should be retained. What is needed is more education on the correct use of alt, title and longdesc. Also consistent browser implementation for these attributes should be encouraged through user agent guidelines. So the HTML tech doc should not suggest that title not be used on images. Sailesh Panchang Senior Accessibility Engineer Deque Systems,11180 Sunrise Valley Drive, 4th Floor, Reston VA 20191 Tel: 703-225-0380 Extension 105 E-mail: sailesh.panchang@deque.com Fax: 703-225-0387 * Look up <http://www.deque.com> *
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