- From: Kerstin Goldsmith <kerstin.goldsmith@oracle.com>
- Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 16:39:30 -0700
- To: gv@trace.wisc.edu
- CC: "'Kynn Bartlett (by way of Wendy A Chisholm <wendy@w3.org>)'" <kynnbartlett@yahoo.com>, w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Hear, Hear -- we have had "problems" trying to enfore any "avoid" guidelines specifically because of the "avoid" word. I vote for Gregg's proposal of wording. -Kerstin Gregg Vanderheiden wrote: >Hmmmm > >Looks like there is consensus that we should avoid using the word avoid. > >I concur. Either we say >"Try to avoid" - so it is clear that it is not mandatory >or we use >"don't use" or "xxxx is not used" and be clear that it is not to be >used. > >AVOID means " do not use" or "do not go there". Yet I think we used it >when we were being a little iffy. So we were misusing the word. > > >Gregg > > -- ------------------------------ >Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D. >Professor - Ind. Engr. & BioMed Engr. >Director - Trace R & D Center >University of Wisconsin-Madison > > >-----Original Message----- >From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On Behalf >Of Kynn Bartlett (by way of Wendy A Chisholm <wendy@w3.org>) >Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 5:23 PM >To: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org >Subject: RE: Avoid deprecated features query > > >Agreed. > >The word "avoid" has been one of the worst stumbling >blocks for Web developers -- after "until user agents" >-- in understanding and implementing the Web Content >Accessibility Guidelines. > >Nobody seems to know what "avoid" means. If WCAG is >meant to forbid something, it should do so. If it >does not mean to forbid something then how can you >know if you have complied? (If "avoid" does not mean >"do not use," then any "avoid" checkbox is by >definition uncheckable.) > >The word "avoid" is one word that -- in the opinion of >this Web development educator -- should be excised >from WCAG entirely. It tells us nothing and guides no >one. > >--Kynn > >--- "Montgomery, Gordon" ><Gordon.Montgomery@Staples.com> wrote: > > > > The issue seems to be semantic, pivoting around the > > meaning of the word > > "avoid" in the guideline. > > > > I agree with Pam that "avoid" does not include the > > sense of its likely > > intended meaning: "do not use" [per Wendy 's > > interpretation]. "Avoid" > > certainly is more of a "grey" word > > than a "black or white" one. > > > > I suggest need to be clearer and replace "avoid" > > with "do not use" in the > > guidelines. > > > > This change would then create a more "black and > > white" decision for those > > trying to make their whole sites compliant. > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). >http://calendar.yahoo.com > > >
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