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RE: Avoid deprecated features query

From: Montgomery, Gordon <Gordon.Montgomery@Staples.com>
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 15:24:21 -0400
Message-ID: <E77431CF9E0AD61198B30002A5F397FB03BE5CF6@fraex24.staples.com>
To: "'Wendy A Chisholm'" <wendy@w3.org>, Pam Galloway <pam.galloway@connectinternetsolutions.com>, w3c-wai-gl@w3.org

The issue seems to be semantic, pivoting around the meaning of the word
"avoid" in the guideline.

I agree with Pam that "avoid" does not include the sense of  its likely
intended meaning: "do not use" [per Wendy 's interpretation]. "Avoid"
certainly is more of a "grey" word
than a "black or white" one.

I suggest need to be clearer and replace "avoid" with "do not use" in the

This change would then create a more "black and white" decision for those
trying to make their whole sites compliant.

In Pam's case this solution is probably not one she wants to hear, given the
considerable workload involved.

Per Wendy's suggestion could we live with a WWW that had
varing compliance at the page level as opposed to the site level? I think
that *could* work but may not be ultimately that usable for the web
community we are designing for. 



-----Original Message-----
From: Wendy A Chisholm [mailto:wendy@w3.org]
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 3:04 PM
To: Pam Galloway; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Subject: Re: Avoid deprecated features query

Hello Pam,

This is an interesting question.

Personally, I interpret 11.2 to mean "don't use deprecated features" and if 
you use deprecated features then you don't conform.

It sounds like you have updated some pages but not all.  What if you 
clarify the scope of your conformance claim?  For example, "Pages created 
or updated after 1 June 2003 conform at Level AA to WCAG 1.0.  Pages 
created before 31 May 2003 conform at Level A to WCAG 1.0 because they use 
deprecated features of HTML 4.01."

I'm interested in reactions from others on the list.

At 06:42 AM 6/4/2003, Pam Galloway wrote:

>Can you clarify what avoid means in this instance, please.
>If a web page has includes some deprecated features and is submitted as 
>4.01 Transistional, which allows for deprecated features, will it be 
>accessible to Priority Level 2 - Guideline 11.2 - Avoid deprecated 
>features of W3C technologies?
>I took it that avoid means try not to use, not don't use. I need an answer 
>as we are looking at a site with 100's of pages that needs to be compliant 
>to level 2. Some deprecated features have been dropped and replaced using 
>CSS. Others would take a while to do as the number of pages is extensive.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>Pam Galloway

wendy a chisholm
world wide web consortium
web accessibility initiative
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