- From: Gregg Vanderheiden <gv@trace.wisc.edu>
- Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 16:16:00 -0500
- To: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
- Message-id: <026001c31026$e0880c80$ac17a8c0@TOSHIBATABLET>
Comments below marked GV: Hi, I've had a read of the new working draft and have a number of comments. Please note text in double quotation marks ( " ) are directly from the document. My comments in bullets underneath. Please note these are my comments for Guideline 4 & 5 only (Guideline 1, 2 and 3 sent previously) "Reviewer's Note: Since there has been concern about requirements at the minimum level that would require content to be presented in a particular way, this checkpoint has been worded in a way that requires authors to "consider" a list of criteria and review their content with that list in mind. Is this difference clear in comparison to other checkpoints?" I think we need further definition around "review...content with that list in mind" Checkpoint 4.1 Write clearly. You meet Checkpoint 4.1 at Level 2 if you review the content with items such as these in mind: ... - use of summaries to aid understanding I believe the use of summaries should be a minimum requirement GV: you mean they should consider using summaries? Checkpoint 4.2 Supplement text with non-text content. Success criteria You will have successfully met Checkpoint 4.2 at the Minimum Level if: - authors have included non-text content to supplement text for key pages or sections of the site where they felt it was appropriate. what are "key pages or sections of the site"? are the pictures meant to supplement the content, or are they meant to supplement the structure? Checkpoint 4.2 Supplement text with non-text content. Note: Supplementing text with non-text (e.g. graphics, sound, SMELL, etc) is useful for all users. Can we do that? - have been waiting and waiting for smellavision!! Please let me know!! ; ) Checkpoint 4.2 Supplement text with non-text content. Examples (informative) Example 1: a description of a process. - A page describes how to learn to play soccer. Each step in learning the fundamentals of the game is illustrated with a photograph of a player doing what is described in the text. None of the examples have included the use of graphics to aid in navigation, and so I suggest this example: "Example: identifying an area of the site. - A site caters to the elderly and people with disabilities. The section of the site for the elderly has an image of an elderly couple in a rowboat above the navigation. The section of the site for people with disabilities has an image of a person with a guide dog above the navigation" GV: Good example. Lets add This type of thing is very helpful. Checkpoint 4.3 Annotate complex, abbreviated, or unfamiliar information with summaries and definitions. Success criteria You will have successfully met Checkpoint 4.3 at the Minimum Level if: - acronyms and abbreviations are defined the first time they appear. Defined through the code (as in <abbr title="World Wide Web Consortium">W3C</abbr>) or through the text (as in W3C [World Wide Web Consortium]) or both? GV: this is a good question. I think either should be allowed. Shouldn't header labels for tables be included in this success criteria as well? "Checkpoint 4.3 Annotate complex, abbreviated, or unfamiliar information with summaries and definitions. The following are additional ideas for enhancing content along this particular dimension: - provide a definition or link (with the first occurrence) of phrases, words, acronyms, and abbreviations specific to a particular community. - provide a summary for relationships that may not be obvious from analyzing the structure of a table but that may be apparent in a visual rendering of the table. - if contracted forms of words are used such that they are ambiguous, provide semantic markup to make words unique and interpretable. " I think these additional ideas should be split up as to whether they apply to tables or abbreviations GV: we might just put a single word (or two) at the front of the items like: - FOR TABLES - provide a summary for relationships that may not be obvious from analyzing the structure of a table but that may be apparent in a visual rendering of the table. Checkpoint 5.2 Ensure that technologies relied upon by the content are declared and widely available. Success criteria You will have successfully met Checkpoint 5.2 at the Minimum Level if: - a list of technologies and features, support for which is required in order for the content to be operable, has been determined and is documented in metadata and / or a policy statement associated with the content. - the content is still usable when features not on the required list (for example, scripting and stylesheets) are turned off or not supported. Does this mean that the site must be usable when scripting and style sheets are turned off, or that scripting and style sheets are examples of features that are not covered by this example? GV: good question. Suggest rewording as: - the content is still usable when features not on the required list GV: specified by the author (for example, scripting and stylesheets) are turned off or not supported. "has been reviewed" eg. the text-equivalent has been reviewed and is believed to fulfill the same function as the author intended for the non-text content what does "has been reviewed" mean? It could still be reviewed and be incorrect. Reviewed by the author? Reviewed by someone other than the author? Reviewed by a user? Reviewed by someone with a disability? Reviewed by someone relying on that checkpoint to use the site? Perhaps another option is to say "the text equivalent has been reviewed and compliance has been published on the web site", or perhaps documentation should be kept somewhere of how the checkpoint has been reviewed? GV: I thought it was someplace - maybe in the appendix. It was meant to indicate anyone responsible for the site or the content. But I think we are trying to move away from this language if we can. Not sure if we figured out how though. That's it from me. Talk to you all at the teleconference Thursday/Friday. GV: Thanks for all the comments ! 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