- From: Anne Pemberton <apembert@erols.com>
- Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 09:59:31 -0400
- To: jasonw@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au, Kynn Bartlett <kynn@reef.com>
- Cc: "Matt May" <mcmay@bestkungfu.com>, "Wendy A Chisholm" <wendy@w3.org>, <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Jason, Would it help any to separate the presence of a non-text element from it's purpose ... for example: If a non-text element is correctly identified as "content", it probably breaks down barriers for some people .... the extent of which is determined subjectively by comparing the text and the non-text element and see what function they each perform in communicating. If we talk about a tool like Bobby, it can detect the presence of a non-text element on a page, and if none is there at all, notify the author that the content needs to be illustrated. The presence of a single *.gif on a page would meet Bobby, just as the presence of something in <alt> passes Bobby. It doesn't insure that the intent of either <alt> or <img> captured in the guidelines is carried out, just the physical presence.... the rest is subjective .... Anne At 10:03 AM 8/3/01 +1000, Jason White wrote: >Thus I think there are several issues surrounding checkpoint 3.4: > >1. Clarifying what, precisely, is required of content developers. This > can be achieved to some extent in the examples accompanying the > checkpoint, in tecniques documents, and in any success criteria > that may be associated with the checkpoint. Note that the current > "success criteria" will be treated as examples in the next draft. > Naturally, as several participants in this discussion have > mentioned, it is not possible to provide authors with instruction > on how to communicate (visually, auditorily etc.) in these > guidelines, any more than one can teach clarity and precision in > writing by way of an explication of checkpoint 3.3. > >2. Determining under what circumstances "non-text supplements": > >a. allow individuals who would otherwise find it impossible to access >the content, to access it (this corresponds to the definition of >Priority 1 in WCAG 1.0). > >b. Remove significant barriers to access for identifiable groups of >users by substantially facilitating comprehension of the content (WCAG >1.0, priority 2). > >c. Aid comprehension, but do not remove significant barriers to >access. > >d. Are unhelpful and/or unnecessary. > >Thus I would summarise the issue as involving questions of success >criteria, conformance and prioritization. The examples and discussion >in the draft (as have emerged from recent discussion) aim to clarify >the first point to some extent (even if success criteria as such prove >to be unattainable) but the conformance and prioritization issues >remain unresolved and I think it is here that most of the vexing >problems surrounding this checkpoint lie. Needless to say, the same >issues apply to other checkpoints in the document as well. Anne Pemberton apembert@erols.com http://www.erols.com/stevepem http://www.geocities.com/apembert45
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