- From: Al Gilman <asgilman@access.digex.net>
- Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 14:54:43 -0400 (EDT)
- To: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
If the HTML "document" is designed to occupy a frame in a frameset, and relies on another frame for navbar context, then it would make sense to put a navbar in a NOFRAMES footer section. One might even put header and footer NOFRAMES sections in such an HTML thing. Header and footer are cropped in the framed presentation, displayed in frame-free presentation. <just to make trouble> Al to follow up on what Ian Jacobs said: > From w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org Tue Sep 8 13:01:39 1998 > Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 12:51:17 -0400 (EDT) > Resent-Message-Id: <199809081651.MAA07192@www19.w3.org> > X-Authentication-Warning: www10.w3.org: Host t0.w3.org [18.29.0.220] claimed to be w3.org > Message-ID: <35F495A8.6E06954C@w3.org> > Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 22:25:44 -0400 > From: Ian Jacobs <ij@w3.org> > Organization: W3C - World Wide Web Consortium > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.32 i586) > X-Accept-Language: fr,it > To: nir.dagan@econ.upf.es > CC: chisholm@trace.wisc.edu, w3c-wai-gl@w3.org > References: <H0000e2200b29430@MHS> > Subject: Re: NOFRAMES (was:Re: Techniques Document) > Resent-From: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org > X-Mailing-List: <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org> archive/latest/797 > X-Loop: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org > Sender: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org > Resent-Sender: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org > Precedence: list > nir.dagan@econ.upf.es wrote: > > > > The NOFRAMES element appears in the DTD of regular > > documents (loose.dtd), but has no function according > > to the HTML4.0 spec. > > I don't understand what you mean by this statement. > > > The reason for this strange situation is historical. > > Until and including the proposed recommendation of HTML4.0 > > there was a paragraph in the spec. suggesting that using NOFRAMES > > element in a regular document means that the browser has to show > > the content if the page is not rendered "framed", but hide it when > > the document is "framed". > > > > This was ommitted from the recommendation, but the DTD > > was left without change. > > >From section 16.4.1 of the HTML 4.0 specification: > > <BLOCKQUOTE> > The NOFRAMES element specifies content that should be > displayed only when frames are not being displayed. > User agents that support frames must only display > the contents of a NOFRAMES declaration when configured > not to display frames. User agents that do not support > frames must display the contents of NOFRAMES in any case. > </BLOCKQUOTE> > > > As far as WAI recommendation, I think we shouldn't recommend > > using NOFRAMES in regular documents, but only in frameset. > > Can you give me further information on what you mean? > > - Ian > > -- > Ian Jacobs (jacobs@w3.org) > Tel/Fax: (212) 684-1814 > http://www.w3.org/People/Jacobs > >
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