- From: Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 19:23:33 -0400 (EDT)
- To: Shadi Abou-Zahra <shadi@abou-zahra.net>
- Cc: w3c-wai-er-ig@w3.org
The tool reports a cannotTell, mode automatic. The person reports a pass (or fail), mode manual. You can select based on the mode (if you generally trust people over tools) or you can select based on a particular assertor if you have more detailed information. For example, my WCAG evaluating tool requires a person to test something and make an assertion. It will soon (I hope :-) put its results onto an annotea system, as will other automatic tests. What to do with apparently conflicting results is a big question anyway. What if a tool is certain about but something, but a smart person says tehy cannot tell? Normally I know which I would trust, but knowing who said what is important for me... cheers Chaals On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, Shadi Abou-Zahra wrote: > >how would you then really describe a pass or fail (by manual review) >after an initial cannotTell returned by a tool? > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: w3c-wai-er-ig-request@w3.org >> [mailto:w3c-wai-er-ig-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Charles >> McCathieNevile >> Sent: Freitag, 01. August 2003 01:07 >> To: Nick Kew >> Cc: w3c-wai-er-ig@w3.org >> Subject: Re: Assessment outcomes >> >> >> >> I'd do this differently. The idea is that you make a property called >> nick:accept - it is generally a subclass of earl:fail, >> because the implied >> result is that the checkpoint has not been met, but in your >> reporting you >> treat it as you treat an earl:pass. >> >> This leaves you with earl:cannotTell for your proposed >> Review, and earl:fail >> for your proposed repair property. And declaring the schema >> like that means >> that your results are readily interoperable with others - >> nick:acceptIt might >> be considered fine in the reporting logic for some checkpoints. >> >> This strikes me as similar to Hixie's desire to subclass fail >> according to >> whether it was a recorded bug that caused the problem, or >> consequent on >> something else, or a catastrophic failure, etc... >> >> my 2 bits >> >> Chaals >> >> On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Nick Kew wrote: >> >> > >> > >> >Someone mentioning EARL prompts me to post this ... >> > >> >In the course of developing Site Valet Enterprise Edition 2.0, >> >I've integrated a full accessibility audit trail. Pages will be >> >assessed by an automatic agent, and may (or must, according to >> >local policy) then be reassessed by a human. >> > >> >For the AccessValet desktop tool, it is sufficient to generate >> >a result (Pass/Fail/Unknown/unchecked) and a separate conclusion. >> >But for the sitewide database and audit trail, what is required >> >is a single-word status to appear in query results, etc. I'm >> >currently using a slightly different vocabulary, that doesn't >> >fit as well as (IMO) it should with EARL: >> > >> > * Pass >> > No problems with that one >> > * Accept >> > An informed decision not to comply with some part of the >> > guidelines. >> > * Review >> > No conclusion has been reached and the page should be reviewed. >> > * Repair >> > The page has been reviewed and repairs have been identified. >> > A much more positive thing than "Fail" to say to users! >> > >> >These are supported by more detailed reports equivalent to the >> >Executive Summary from the desktop product. But should I be >> concerned >> >about departing from EARL vocabulary in the above? >> > >> > >> > >> >-- >> >Nick Kew >> > >> >> Charles McCathieNevile http://www.w3.org/People/Charles >> tel: +61 409 134 136 >> SWAD-E http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/Europe fax(france): >> +33 4 92 38 78 22 >> Post: 21 Mitchell street, FOOTSCRAY Vic 3011, Australia or >> W3C, 2004 Route des Lucioles, 06902 Sophia Antipolis Cedex, France >> > Charles McCathieNevile http://www.w3.org/People/Charles tel: +61 409 134 136 SWAD-E http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/Europe fax(france): +33 4 92 38 78 22 Post: 21 Mitchell street, FOOTSCRAY Vic 3011, Australia or W3C, 2004 Route des Lucioles, 06902 Sophia Antipolis Cedex, France
Received on Thursday, 31 July 2003 19:23:33 UTC