- From: Michael Cooper <mcooper@cast.org>
- Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 19:07:47 -0400
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Hi - I was asked to pass on Bobby's browser compatibility information. It's actually available in any local copy of Bobby, but I'm attaching a zip collection to this message (hss.zip), and the documentation for understanding them (2 years old) in an html file (hss.html). I also have a very old action item to propose a technical-ish definition of "blocks of content" for the purpose of then deciding if a block is "large". Just for the sake of argument, to throw something out there, I would say: Most generally, a block is a sequence of similar elements (especially ones that are defined as block-level elements, such as <p>), delimited by elements of some other type. So one or more <p> elements in a row is a contiguous block, ideally delimited on both sides by any heading element, or the opening/closing body tag. Other elements define blocks more by virtue of being containers of other elements. So, and <div> defines a block, as does any list (<ul>, <ol>, etc.). All the <li> children of a list are members of a block. It gets trickier when there are nested lists - I would say a nested list both creates a new sub-block, and is a member of its parent block, but at any rate does not begin a new block at the same level as its parent. <div> elements are tricky too because they might include anything. In the best case, a <div> defines a logical block. In reality, they might encompass the whole page, or much smaller chunks, down to a single word or character if they're confused for <span> which I often see. So, I would say that whether a <div> defines a block depends on the diversity of elements inside it. If there are a bunch of the same kind of element within a <div>, or anonymous text (text not even in a <p> element), that <div> defines a block. But, if there's a bunch of different kinds of elements, especially otherwise block delimiters such as headings, it may not be useful to think of that <div> as a block but as a formatting agent. Within it, there would be several blocks defined by other means. I would say though that a block would never span across a <div>'s boundaries, so if I had a bunch of <p> tags, then a closing or opening <div> tag, then more <p> tags, those paragraphs would be members of different blocks. Tables also complicates the issue. First, I would say that overall, a data table is its own block, and a layout table is not (but should be treated as I do <div> above, as a container element). So, generally, if you had a bunch of paragraphs, then a data table, then more paragraphs, the data table would be its own block, and would also delimit the paragraphs before and after it into distinct blocks. However, I would say this is only true for "large" data tables. A "small" table might be considered to be a "for example" within the block of text and not rightfully considered its own block. (The same would be true of a <blockquote>, by the way). So I have to define large. That's another discussion, but maybe for now if the table has more than 20 cells, it's "large". Michael Michael Cooper Bobby Project Manager Technical Designer CAST, Inc. 39 Cross St. Peabody, MA 01960 Tel +1 978-531-8555 x265 TTY +1 978-538-3110 Fax +1 978-531-0192 Email mcooper@cast.org http://www.cast.org/ http://www.cast.org/bobby/
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