- From: Chris Ridpath <chris.ridpath@utoronto.ca>
- Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 10:48:50 -0400
- To: "WAI ER IG List" <w3c-wai-er-ig@w3.org>
> 2) needs to be subdivided and reordered. > How would it be subdivided? Can you suggest an order? > 3) there are heuristics that could be applied to estimate what role the > text that is MARQUEEing or BLINKing plays in the page... > A good suggestion but I don't think this will make it into version 1 of A-Prompt. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Al Gilman <asgilman@iamdigex.net> To: WAI ER IG List <w3c-wai-er-ig@w3.org> Sent: Friday, October 22, 1999 2:10 AM Subject: Re: BLINK repair mechanisms (calling all CSS gurus!) > At 02:33 PM 10/21/99 -0400, Chris Ridpath wrote: > >Gregory makes a good point for including the Hx as replacements for > >BLINK/MARQUEE. Another reason for suggesting Hx is that it might get the > >user thinking about using these in the future instead of BLINK/MARQUEE. > > > >Should we also allow the author to change the BLINK/MARQUEE to something > >else? > > > >To repair a BLINK/MARQUEE we could offer the author 3 choices: > >1) remove it > >2) change it to: [EM, STRONG, SPAN, (perhaps Hx)] > >3) change it to: [enter your own tag] > > 1) appears just before 3) in the descending likelihood that the author will > want this order for these options. > > 2) needs to be subdivided and reordered. > > 3) there are heuristics that could be applied to estimate what role the > text that is MARQUEEing or BLINKing plays in the page, such as placement in > the page and severity of text emphasis vs. the other emphasis employed on > the page. I don't expect A-Prompt to get there right away but in fact if > we developed a "learned" weighting scheme for the effective severity of > combinations of text effects based on demographics in actual pages, I bet > we could get very good at detecting anonymous H1 text items, for example. > > One problem is that there is a common need for a lesser emphasis headline > followed by a greater emphasis headline as one starts the head of a module. > Actually, in the situations I am thinking of one could conceptualize the > first, less emphasized identification as a running header and class that > outside the Hn series and be then OK to have subheads all follow their > superheads and be at a lower level (higher n in Hn) than their superheads. > (we need a way to indicate running heads that refer to superscopes of the > current module). > Al > > > > >For example, here's how the A-Prompt dialog might look: > >http://aprompt.snow.utoronto.ca/tags/blink1.html > > > >Chris > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Gregory J. Rosmaita <unagi69@concentric.net> > >To: Leonard R. Kasday <kasday@acm.org> > >Cc: Evaluation & Repair Interest Group <w3c-wai-er-ig@w3.org> > >Sent: Thursday, October 21, 1999 2:10 PM > >Subject: Re: BLINK repair mechanisms (calling all CSS gurus!) > > > > > >> aloha, again, len! > >> > >> you wrote, > >> quote > >> Do we really want to suggest Hx? In my experience people don't use BLINK > >> where headers are appropriate and WCAG 3.5 states "Do not use headers > >for > >> font effects". So we might lead authors down garden path > >> unquote > >> > >> again, i repeat my assertion, based upon over 4 years of deconstructing > >and > >> reconstructing poorly encoded and/or designed sites, that i have most > >often > >> found the BLINK and MARQUEE elements -- often in conjunction with the > >> deprecated FONT element -- used where a header would have been more > >> appropriate... > >> > >> admittedly, this is more consistently true of MARQUEE -- just think of the > >> implications of the element's name -- when i think of a marquee, i think > >of -- > >> hell, who cares what i think, here's how WWWebster's Dictionary [1] > >defines > >> "marquee": > >> > >> quote > >> a permanent canopy often of metal and glass projecting over an entrance > >(as of > > >> a hotel or theater) > >> unquote > >> > >> based on that definition, i'd argue that the information placed on a > >physical > >> marquee is the equivalent of level 1 and (at least) level 2 headers -- > >i.e. the > >> name of the theater, and the name of the show or picture currently being > >shown > >> there... > >> > >> admittedly, BLINK is also quite commonly used to set off a phrase or a > >word, as > >> in: > >> > >> <BLINK>NEW!</BLINK> > >> > >> but i have repeatedly encountered instances where BLINK (again, often in > >> conjunction with FONT) was used to emphasize what should have been encoded > >as a > >> header, or where it (like MARQUEE) was used to add emphasis to what was > >already > >> encoded as a header... > >> > >> gregory. > >> > >> References > >> [1] http://www.m-w.com/ > >> -------------------------------------------------------- > >> He that lives on Hope, dies farting > >> -- Benjamin Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanack, 1763 > >> -------------------------------------------------------- > >> Gregory J. Rosmaita <unagi69@concentric.net> > >> WebMaster and Minister of Propaganda, VICUG NYC > >> <http://www.hicom.net/~oedipus/vicug/index.html> > >> -------------------------------------------------------- > >
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