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RE: EOWG presents: Personalization -> Adapt

From: <Kevin.White@gov.scot>
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2022 15:41:02 +0000
To: <john@foliot.ca>, <janina@rednote.net>
CC: <shawn@w3.org>, <public-personalization-tf@w3.org>, <w3c-wai-eo@w3.org>, <w3t-wai@w3.org>
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Hi,

Agreed, although it might take time for this to happen. There are likely to be better ways to describe what these modules do but that quickly becomes overly burdensome as a name. It is also much more likely that anything long will be shortened one way or another whether we like it or not.

As a ‘brand’, “Adapt” is short and snappy and aligned (in my head at least!) with the purpose of the modules. Because it is short, there is also the opportunity to use it as part of the attribute, possibly increasing memorability and awareness. Not sure we get that from more involved terms.

2p worth

Kevin

Kevin White
Head of Digital Accessibility and Usability
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From: John Foliot <john@foliot.ca>
Sent: 14 March 2022 15:27
To: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>
Cc: John Foliot <john@foliot.ca>; Shawn Henry <shawn@w3.org>; public-personalization-tf <public-personalization-tf@w3.org>; EOWG (E-mail) <w3c-wai-eo@w3.org>; w3t-wai@w3.org
Subject: Re: EOWG presents: Personalization -> Adapt

Hi Janina,

> WAI-Adapt

I'll note that we actually took that naming convention with ARIA when it was released, by referencing it as WAI-ARIA<https://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-1.1/> in the normative Recommendation, and yet interestingly most folks drop the WAI part when referencing ARIA today. So I think that would very quickly bring us back to Adapt as the 'common' term. Is that what we want?

JF

On Mon, Mar 14, 2022 at 11:10 AM Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net<mailto:janina@rednote.net>> wrote:
Thanks, John. I also agree there's no particular reason to "chase the
acronym," i.e. find some seemingly coherent wording to justify the term
as an acronym.

I did notice one email from Lionel where the Subject said: "WAI-Adapt."
I would be far more favorable to this kind of construction, or even to a
W3C-Adapt construction, because either of those turns the construct into
a noun, imo.

Best,

Janina

John Foliot writes:
> Hi All,
>
> FWIW, I am very much feeling the same way as Janina... I get the idea, but
> struggle with the current implementation: *Adapt *is (as Janina notes) a
> verb, whereas I believe we want something closer to a noun (or pronoun).
>
> This leads me to return to "Adaptable" or "Adaptation" as the 'name' of our
> family of specifications. This would also be closer to how EO then uses the
> concept in their example
> <https://deploy-preview-8--wai-personalization-standards.netlify.app/personalization/>,
> and specifically, "*Examples of Adaptation to Meet User Needs*".
>
> I also personally think that chasing the acronym rabbit down its hole is
> not that useful an exercise - I'd rather see and hear something that is
> more illustrative to non-experts of what can be achieved, rather than some
> random string of letters that users and content creators need to learn
> (shades of having to explain *a11y* to non-experts over and over....)
>
> JF
>
> On Mon, Mar 14, 2022 at 7:55 AM Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net<mailto:janina@rednote.net>> wrote:
>
> > Dear All:
> >
> > After sitting with this proposal for a few days I find myself wanting to
> > play devil's advocate.
> >
> > My concern is that the word is a present tense imperative verb. Is that
> > really the stance we want to take?
> >
> > ARIA is a noun. I wish we could have a noun rather than an imperative
> > verb.
> >
> > I'm not sure that the demand inherent in an imperative is the attitude
> > we want to take? I would further note that in the U.S. disability
> > advocacy context, ADAPT is a fairly millitant organization working for
> > accessible transportation. They've made mainstream news with their
> > tactics:
> >
> > https://adapt.org

> >
> > At the very least I think we should consider these points before moving
> > forward--not that I'm desiring to be the wet blanket here.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Janina
> >
> > Shawn Henry writes:
> > > Dear Personalization Task Force,
> > >
> > > After much collaboration, EOWG has a proposal for "branding"
> > formerly-known-as personalization. It is simply...
> > >       Adapt
> > >
> > > A rough example of how "Adapt" could be used is in this draft preview:
> > >
> > https://deploy-preview-8--wai-personalization-standards.netlify.app/personalization/

> > >
> > > (Of course, it might not work -- EOWG doesn't know all the ins-and-outs.)
> > >
> > > Many other ideas and considerations are in the minutes and comments of
> > this GitHub Issue:
> > >       https://github.com/w3c/wai-personalization-standards/issues/7

> > >
> > > Let us know what you think...
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > ~Your Helpful EO Folks
> > >
> > > --
> > > <http://www.w3.org/People/Shawn/>
> >
> > --
> >
> > Janina Sajka
> > (she/her/hers)
> > https://linkedin.com/in/jsajka

> >
> > Linux Foundation Fellow
> > Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:       http://a11y.org

> >
> > The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
> > Co-Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures     http://www.w3.org/wai/apa

> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> *John Foliot* |
> Senior Industry Specialist, Digital Accessibility |
> W3C Accessibility Standards Contributor |
>
> "I made this so long because I did not have time to make it shorter." -
> Pascal "links go places, buttons do things"

--

Janina Sajka
(she/her/hers)
https://linkedin.com/in/jsajka


Linux Foundation Fellow
Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:       http://a11y.org


The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
Co-Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures     http://www.w3.org/wai/apa



--
John Foliot |
Senior Industry Specialist, Digital Accessibility |
W3C Accessibility Standards Contributor |
"I made this so long because I did not have time to make it shorter." - Pascal "links go places, buttons do things"

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