Re: EOWG - Eval Videos - stills for Friday 20 Sept discussion

Hi Shadi,

On 19 Sep 2019, at 11:52, Shadi Abou-Zahra wrote:

> Hi Eric,
>
> Many thanks for this input!
>
> How strongly do you feel about facial expressions? My understanding is 
> that these are very difficult to do well, and also very expensive. We 
> will discuss if there are ways to convey interaction and emotions yet 
> without using facial expressions as such -- would that work for you?

I guess they have to do. I understand the constraints. And while I 
personally don’t feel engaged by faceless figures, it might just be 
me. So I don’t feel strong, I just described my perspective. (And 
I’m far from the main audience for those videos.)

> Also, any thoughts on the illustration for person in the image "Person 
> am Computer_6.png" sent in the previous batch (last Thursday), except 
> for the color red? I'm more interested in the shape of that figure.

Not a strong preference in comparison to (5), only that it more looks 
like pieces you would find in a game of “[Mensch ärgere Dich 
nicht](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mensch_%C3%A4rgere_Dich_nicht)”.

> Finally, you say "least offensive" from which I infer that you find 
> these representations offensive -- can you explain why offensive?

I meant “I’m personally not really happy with it, but much less 
unhappy than with the other options”. Sorry for being unclear.

>
> Many thanks,
>   Shadi
>
>
> On 19/09/2019 11:36, Eric Eggert wrote:
>> Hi Shadi, all,
>>
>> In general I like the white gradient background and also the blue 
>> background. I think we can use both to signal breaks in the narrative 
>> (for example when talking about different resources, one resource 
>> could have a white, another one a blue background – just an idea).
>>
>>   *
>>
>>     |Computer blue bg red icons blue computer.png| – Depending on
>>     context the red icons might mean “warning or danger” in 
>> context of
>>     the depicted disabilities.
>>
>>   *
>>
>>     I’m not down with the depiction of humans, still. I wonder if 
>> that
>>     is just something that I experience, but I think I would better
>>     react to any of the “pawns” if they had facial features.
>>
>>       o
>>
>>         “Triangle” (1) – I have seen triangles pointing down to
>>         specifically denote men (maybe in biology books?) but I 
>> cannot
>>         find references at this moment. It also feels a little bit
>>         aggressive.
>>
>>         (I also get Gizmoduck
>>         <https://darkwingduck.fandom.com/wiki/Gizmoduck> vibes, but 
>> that
>>         probably just dates me.)
>>
>>       o
>>
>>         (2) Looks a little bit like a baby, but that’s probably 
>> down to
>>         the scale on the Pawns.png image. I don’t think the arms 
>> add a
>>         lot to it, compared to (5).
>>
>>       o
>>
>>         (3) & (4) “How to build a snowman” ;-) They look too 
>> abstract
>>         for me.
>>
>>       o
>>
>>         (5) Feels least offensive to me.
>>
>> If we use text, please make sure they use Noto Sans going forward, so 
>> we have some consistency with the text on the page: 
>> https://www.google.com/get/noto/
>>
>> I assume the production company is aware of our UI color palette (It 
>> looks like they are) – of course the video will also need other 
>> colors, for example we don’t really have a clipboard color there 
>> ;-) : https://wai-website-theme.netlify.com/components/colors/
>>
>> Thanks for sending these, I know how hard it is to get all 
>> considerations under one roof.
>>
>> 👋 Eric
>>
>> (The link below was redacted by request.)
>>
>> On 18 Sep 2019, at 17:40, Shawn Henry wrote:
>>
>>     Hi active EOWG participants,
>>
>>     Updated draft images for the videos are in a zip file that you 
>> can
>>     access from:
>>     REDACTED
>>
>>     We will discuss them on the call this Friday 20 Sept -- agenda
>>     topic: "Discuss sample visuals 'stills'..."
>>
>>     Best,
>>     Shawn for Shadi
>>
>>     -- 
>>     http://www.w3.org/People/Shawn/
>>
>> --
>>
>> Eric Eggert
>> Web Accessibility Specialist
>> Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) at World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)
>>
>
> -- 
> Shadi Abou-Zahra - http://www.w3.org/People/shadi/
> Accessibility Strategy and Technology Specialist
> Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
> World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)



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Eric Eggert
Web Accessibility Specialist
Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) at World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)