- From: Al Gilman <asgilman@iamdigex.net>
- Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 17:17:42 -0400
- To: w3c-wai-eo@w3.org
>Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 15:43:50 -0400 (EDT) >Reply-To: "Kathleen Anderson" <kathleen.anderson@po.state.ct.us> >From: "Kathleen Anderson" <kathleen.anderson@po.state.ct.us> >To: "Dave J Woolley" <DJW@bts.co.uk>, <w3c-wai-ig@w3c.org> >Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 15:43:13 -0400 >Organization: State Comptroller's Office >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 >Subject: Re: Front Page again >Resent-From: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org >X-Mailing-List: <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org> archive/latest/6307 >X-Loop: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org >Sender: w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org >Resent-Sender: w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org > >One of the ways you can 'fix' pages created by FrontPage is to modify the >template used to create all your new pages, and add the DOCTYPE to the >template. >Please see: http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/tutorials/doctypesolution.asp > >Kathleen Anderson, Webmaster >State of Connecticut, Office of the State Comptroller >55 Elm Street, Room 101, Hartford, Connecticut 06106 >voice: (860) 702-3355 fax: (860) 702-3634 >email: kathleen.anderson@po.state.ct.us >URL: http://www.osc.state.ct.us >CMAC Access: http://www.cmac.state.ct.us/access >AWARE: http://aware.hwg.org/ > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Dave J Woolley <DJW@bts.co.uk> >To: <w3c-wai-ig@w3c.org> >Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 3:28 PM >Subject: RE: Front Page again > > >> > From: Michael W Baker [SMTP:bakerm@zin-tech.com] >> > >> > I am developing accessibility standards for my company. We do government >> > sub contracting and a lot of government sites use Front Page for design. >I >> > need to explore accessibility solutions (or have definitive reasons why >it >> > can't be done)for this product. >> > Are there ways of designing accessibly with Front Page? >> [DJW:] >> I'm pretty sure that if you know how to write HTML >> you can write good HTML in Front Page. The problem >> is that the user interface encourages bad habits, and >> it seems that it is fairly easy to generate invalid >> HTML as well. Early versions generate a document type >> that only permits HTML 2.0, which will need fixing for >> most pages! >> >> The sorts of ways that it encourages problems are by >> making presentational features easy to use, by putting >> them on the tool bar, but hiding the proper structural >> ones; I think that is consistent with the target WYSISWYG >> market. >> >> Obviously it also encourages the use of canned formats, >> automation etc. >> >> > Is it possible to fix a page designed on Front Page? >> [DJW:] >> Dave Raggett's Tidy program was designed to try to >> create valid HTML from it. Accessibility requires >> human intervention though. >> >> > Are there any resources addressing this issue? >> > (Personally I would never use this product, but I need to deal with a >lot >> > of Front Page sites and Front Page users.) >> > >> > >> [DJW:] There's actually an accessibility thread running >> on the lynx-dev mailing list in which two different sites >> (I think Ohio State is the problem one and a newspaper the >> good one) are producing pages with a Front Page meta tag >> (possibly hand retouched) and one is virtually unnavigable >> text only, whereas the other is no problem. >> >> The fundamental problem is almost certainly that the people >> who like using Front Page don't like to think about information >> (as against specified browser graphic) design. >> >> -- >> --------------------------- DISCLAIMER --------------------------------- >> Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, >> except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of BTS. >> >> >> >
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