Re: The use of CSS

do have a hammer?  the last sentence nailed it!

----- Original Message -----
From: Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org>
To: Robert Neff <robneff@home.com>
Cc: Sylvie Duchateau <sduchate@hall.snv.jussieu.fr>; <w3c-wai-eo@w3.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2000 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: The use of CSS


Yes - a number of computer support staff I know of forced everyone to
upgrade
to a relatively recent version of software as a Y2K precaution. I think the
big battle is still to convince designers to learn how to use CSS properly,
and provide good information about what CSS is safe in what circumstances.

Charles McCN

On Sun, 5 Mar 2000, Robert Neff wrote:

  CSS has been know to blow up on many versions of browsers.  With Y2K, IE
and
  Netscape had sent anotice to everyone stating they needed to upgrade to
the
  latest version.  SO in fact, e-commerce may inadvertently help to remove
  barriers to CSS.

  /rob


  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Sylvie Duchateau <sduchate@hall.snv.jussieu.fr>
  To: Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org>
  Cc: <w3c-wai-eo@w3.org>
  Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 5:56 AM
  Subject: Re: The use of CSS


  > Thank you for your arguments for CSS. I think many people are reluctant
to
  > use css because they do not know how to use them so that they can be
  > compatible with most browsers. If you use a css that works with the last
  > versions of Internet Explorer, those may not work with older versions of
  > this browser and with Netscape. We experienced that with a CSS that
wirked
  > under IE but not under netscape. What should we recommend then?
  > I think that Marja's proposal to make a document about the use of CSS is
a
  > good idea and a necessary thing.
  > Regards
  > Sylvie
  > A 17:15 01/03/2000 -0500, Charles McCathieNevile a écrit :
  > >Often this argument is simply false - many browsers also do not support
  Java
  > >or Javascript or animation effects or frames or many other effects.
  > >
  > >It is important to use things in a way which means they do not break
down
  for
  > >some people. So using CSS for layout control needs to be done in such a
  way
  > >that a browser which does not support CSS will still provide an
  appropriate
  > >layout.
  > >
  > >Many browsers do support CSS. Netscape, Internet Explorer, Emacs-W3,
  Opera,
  > >Neoplanet, the ICE browser component, Mozilla, and others all provide
  good
  > >support. And if people are using a browser that doesn't, such as
  Braillesurf,
  > >lynx, very old versions of Explorer/Netscape, etc then it is very
likely
  to
  > >be because they don't care about layout presentation.
  > >
  > >Charles McCN
  > >
  > >On Wed, 1 Mar 2000, Sylvie Duchateau wrote:
  > >
  > >  Hello all,
  > >  We recently recommended to a webmaster to use the CSS for the layout
of
  his
  > >  site.
  > >  He answerded he could not take this recommendation into acount
because
  many
  > >  browsers do not support CSS.
  > >  What should we argue to convince him to use them.
  > >  Thank you in advance
  > >  Sylvie Duchateau
  > >
  > >
  > >--
  > >Charles McCathieNevile    mailto:charles@w3.org    phone: +61 (0) 409
134
  136
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  > >
  > >
  >
  >


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136
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