- From: Jeanne Spellman <jeanne@w3.org>
- Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 16:05:50 -0500
- To: AUWG <w3c-wai-au@w3.org>
Minutes:
http://www.w3.org/2012/02/13-au-minutes.html
Text of Minutes:
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
Authoring Tool Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
13 Feb 2012
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2012/02/13-au-irc
Attendees
Present
Jeanne, Alex, Sueann, Tim_Boland, Cherie, Jan
Regrets
Chair
Jutta
Scribe
jeanne
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]Intent-Examples-Resources for B.1.2.2 Copy-Paste Inside
Authoring Tool (WCAG)
2. [5]Whether to move theses appendices to the Implementing
doc?:
3. [6]Finalizing responses to the few remaining outstanding
comments.
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2012JanMar/0
028.html
4. [7]Last Call planning
* [8]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 13 February 2012
<scribe> scribe: jeanne
[9]http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2012/ED-IMPLEMENTING-ATAG20-20120210/#sc
_b122
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http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2012/ED-IMPLEMENTING-ATAG20-20120210/#sc_b122
Appendix E: Checklist
Appendix F: Comparison of ATAG 1.0 guidelines to ATAG 2.0
Since Alex needs to leave early, Jutta requested his input on the
topic.
AL: Why do we even need a checklist?
JT: It was in the document for a long time, it hasn't been updated
in a long time.
TB: It has use in providing more information and material to the
author.
AL: I am not opposed to moving the appendixes to the Implementing
document
Intent-Examples-Resources for B.1.2.2 Copy-Paste Inside Authoring Tool
(WCAG)
[10]http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2012/ED-IMPLEMENTING-ATAG20-20120210/#g
l_b12
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http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2012/ED-IMPLEMENTING-ATAG20-20120210/#gl_b12
SN: It is somewhat ambiguous, is there other text that provides more
guidance?
... I don't know where anyone else talks about properties of copy
and paste? How would you validate and test for it?
JT: How would you determine if accessibility information survived
the copy/paste process.
... the application may only be intermediary.
SN: You could only validate that the originating information was
sent.
JT: An example of copy/paste a video or portions of a video and its
captions
... or copy and pasting an image, if the authoring tool also copies
the alt text.
SN: What does WCAG do?
... this situation can occur outside the tool, not necessarily tool
related - mostly happens in the OS.
JS: I don't think WCAG addresses it, because it is an authoring
function
TB: I am looking at the guideline and it doesn't address copy-paste
-- just within the authoring tool. In the implementing document, we
are talking about moving between authoring tools.
JT: This was written because of questions that the implications of
B.1.2.2 included copy-paste.
... the concern is that B.1.2.2 could be interpreted to include
copy-paste, and we needed examples of how copy-paste would be
adhered to. That is what led to this text.
TB: This says the authoring tool doing the copy would also be doing
the pasting.
SN: I don't know what this says, I think it is ambiguous and how do
you test for it, how do you test for all the conditions. At some
point, someone would have to verify that you could do it.
JS: I can think of a fairly simple test where you copy an image with
alternative text and then paste it back into the document and look
to see if the alternative text was copied over.
SN: So why did we split out copy and paste?
JT: Because Alex expressed concern about copy-paste and asked for
illustrative examples.
SN: I think it could be a little clearer
JT: Could you suggest some changes?
Whether to move these appendices to the Implementing doc?:
JS: I see both sides -- WCAG 2.0 deliberately moved away from
checklists, but have been criticized for lack of checklist and other
people have written checklists.
TB: If we move it to the Implementing document, people may not see
them.
RESOLUTION: Move the checklist into the Implementing document, but
keep a reference to them in the Guidelines document
Finalizing responses to the few remaining outstanding comments.
[11]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2012JanMar/0028.html
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2012JanMar/0028.html
JT: Before he had to leave, Alex reviewed them and had no criticism.
... we are referencing a Note, the NOte may add more detail into the
examples.
SN: Looks fine to me.
TB: Fine with me.
RESOLUTION: Accept the edits to outstanding comments from
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tml
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2012JanMar/0028.html
Last Call planning
JS: Once we vote for Last Call, it takes two weeks to publish, then
I expect to request a 6 week turnaround. Does any company need more
than 6 weeks?
SN: I would be very hard pressed to get feedback in 6 weeks given
the major conferences and spring break. There are also deadlines for
508 work that the same people are involved in. I think 8 weeks are
more reasonable.
JR: I think in the big picture, 8 weeks is not unreasonable.
JS: I think that those reasons are defensible, so I am ok with
requesting 8 weeks.
<Tim> next week is Presidents Day in U.S. so must send regrets
Summary of Action Items
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