Complete Minutes from AUWG F2F (Nov 9)

* Now talking in #au
<JR> template
<JR> A partially-specified content pattern that is combined with 
particular values to produce a final content product.
<JR> /invite RRSAgent #au
<JR> Zakim, this will be AUWG
<JR> Chair: Jutta Treviranus
<JR> Scribe: JR
<JR> Meeting: WAI AU
<MikeS> consider wikipedia: • a pre-developed
<MikeS> page layout
<MikeS>  in electronic or paper media used to create new pages from the 
same design, pattern, or style
* exit has joined #au
* exit has left #au
* kenny has joined #au
* kenny has quit IRC (Ping timeout)
* kenny has joined #au
* oedipus has joined #au
<JR> All: looked at Template - new definition: A content pattern that is 
filled in by authors or the authoring tool to produce content for end 
users (e.g., document templates, content management templates, 
presentation themes). Often templates will pre-specify at least some 
authoring decisions.
* JR hi gregory
* JR do you want me to skype you in?
* JR Or Jutta can and you'll hear less typing.
* kenny has quit IRC (Ping timeout)
<JR> All: Redid rationale for B.2.3: Repair as an integral part of the 
authoring process greatly enhances the utility of checking and increases 
the likelihood that accessibility problems will be properly addressed.
<oedipus> thanks jan -- in a little while perhaps -- trying to tackle 
modularization and non-namespaced roles in XHTML2 WG right now
* JR oh ok
* oedipus thanks!
* kenny has joined #au
<JR> JT: A bit concerned about the location of the conf notes at the top 
of each part
* jutta has joined #au
<MikeS> tscribing and rrsagent/zakim: http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/scribes.html
* kenny has quit IRC (Quit: Freedom Chat - Your Home Away From Home | 
http://www.freedomchat.org | tIRC script by the Freedom Chat Leets)
* kenny has joined #au
* kenny has quit IRC (Quit: Freedom Chat - Your Home Away From Home | 
http://www.freedomchat.org | tIRC script by the Freedom Chat Leets)
* kenny has joined #au
* oedipus says FYI: http://www.w3.org/2007/11/09-xhtml-minutes.html 
(reform of namespacing role prefixes -- now a SHOULD not a MUST)
* kenny has left #au
<jutta> for drag and drop UI component exemplars 
http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Showcase+of+Recent+Work
* kenny has joined #au
* hbj has joined #au
* shawn has joined #au
* shawn has quit IRC (Quit: shawn)
* shawn has joined #au
* shawn apologizes for missing intro.
* shawn needs pointer to what's displayed on the screen
<jutta> 
http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2007/WD-ATAG20-20071108/WD-ATAG20-20071108.html
* shawn thanks!
<shawn> if there's a tool that only does part of the process, then it 
wouldn't need to meet the non-relevant provisions?
<shawn> q+ to ask about multimedia tools
<shawn> q+ to ask about "for use by other people"
<shawn> q+ to ask about plain text editors
* shawn asks Jutta/JR how they want me to participate or not (as an 
observer)
* kenny has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer)
* kenny has joined #au
* kenny is now known as kennyjohar
* kennyjohar is now known as kenny
<shawn> "for use by other people" -- needed to keep from overlapping 
with WCAG... ?
<shawn> personalization is the domain of WCAG
* hbj has quit IRC (Quit: hbj)
* Tim has joined #au
* kenny has quit IRC (Quit: Freedom Chat - Your Home Away From Home | 
http://www.freedomchat.org | tIRC script by the Freedom Chat Leets)
* Tim has quit IRC (Quit: Tim)
* MikeS has quit IRC (Ping timeout)
* shawn has quit IRC (Ping timeout)
<JR> Topic: ARIA Discussion
* Disconnected

* Now talking in #au
<JR> Topic: ARIA Discussion
<JR> Rich joined us....
<JR> Note dump...
<JR> - model-based tools: Palette of accessible, pre-tested objects, 
drag on to canvas...properties dialogs...prompt for name etc.
<JR> - some automation can be done - e.g. compute higher level name for 
childrens' name (accessible name)
<JR> - supporting the definition of relationships? - describedby, 
labelledby, owns, controlledby, etc.
<JR> - creating live regions - give guidance on "politeness level", When 
change happens? Should user process whole area? What is relevance? 
Channels - main and secondary.
<JR> - 2 Important Roles - Application and Document - discussed in best 
practices - role=application = default is typical GUI , author controls 
keyboard nav....role=document=AT handles it like it typically handles it now
<JR> - set of standard document section roles - on any element 
(http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-xhtml-role-20060725/) - also applies to 
reg. HTML example
<JR> - invalid and required in forms (Xforms, HTML5) - when building forms
<JR> - Rich needs to write custom widgets section (best practices) - 
what role? what properties? Filtering.
<JR> - Focus - 2 ways to have focus - e.g. set tab index - in tab index 
vs. not...tabindex=-1...not in tab index but can get focus....tabindex=0 
is in logical tabindex.
<JR> - ARIA philosophy is like the desktop
<JR> - Active descendant - parent processes focus for children (useful 
when lots of children e.g. grid)
<JR> - Managing the tab order (sub-tab-like orders)
<JR> - AIA - Accessibility Interoperability Alliance
<JR> - Drag and drop - define which objects are draggable(grab) and then 
which objects can receive them - then once in drag mode - popu pmenu 
(copy, move, reference to original), USER - can tab to grab then tab to 
target
<JR> - ER requested that ARIA states and roles will be combined into one 
doc + updated best practices.
* kenny has joined #au
<kenny> thanks for allowing me the observer status guys. I enjoyed every 
bit of my time in the group. Its a brilliant piece of work and I would 
love to be closely associated to it in the coming days or months if ok 
with you.
* kenny has left #au
<JR> Action JR: Change "must" to declarative
* MikeS has quit IRC (Quit: Freedom Chat - Your Home Away From Home | 
http://www.freedomchat.org | tIRC script by the Freedom Chat Leets)

Draft after today:
http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2007/WD-ATAG20-20071109/WD-ATAG20-20071109.html

Received on Friday, 9 November 2007 22:22:16 UTC