- From: Gregory J. Rosmaita <unagi69@concentric.net>
- Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 16:57:02 -0500
- To: Al Gilman <asgilman@iamdigex.net>, w3c-wai-au@w3.org
- Cc: <paciello@webable.com>
aloha, al - in your list of Possible Techniques, you failed to include one of the most elegant illustrative engines, len kasday's WAVE [reference 1], the precise purpose of which is to provide, at no cost and precious little effort, a "pictures speak louder than synthesized speech" illustration not only of whether "accessibility" features have been included, but how they are either rendered or are deficient or entirely lacking WAVE is particularly useful, therefore, to illustrate both the consequences of using and/or neglecting to use "proper" markup as well as how that markup is expressed when the document source is rendered it also serves as a cheap (read: free) self-voicing browser substitute - a lot of hay can be made by sitting a webmaster (or, better yet the person who signs his or her paychecks) down on the other (computer-free) side of the desk and then assigning them a series of relevant/pertinent tasks to complete via the agency of someone else running the computer exclusively from the keyboard - it drives the point home quite forcefully, and gives designers/implementors/managers a glimpse into the bottomless abyss of frustration also known as web-crawling... oh, one more thing - why a screen-shot of HPR? why not an AUDIO file - it is, after all, a self-voicing UA, as IBM reps have protested vociferously in UAWG meetings past, when HPR's visual display was invoked to illustrate a point, positively or negatively... screen shots of a Lynx-view (strict linearizer) and WAVE (flow indicator) make much sense, but please, when it comes to aurally-oriented tools, we need AURAL and NOT visual representations of what the target "beneficiaries" experience... we need to stop coddling authors/developers and treating them with kid gloves and explanations of why such-and-such is bad - give them a true taste of the end result of their handiwork/typical practices, and see if they can swallow... just my 2 cents (american), gregory. References 1. Len Kasday's WAVE: http://www.temple.edu/inst_disabilities/piat/wave/ PS: i've offered to make such aural examples for the UA and GL WGs in the past, and have been promoting them since joining the WAI, but i need to collaborate with someone whose machine doesn't crash the instant 2 or more applications are open -- which is a decided handicap when you need to run an app just in order to interact with the machine in the first place... i can't be the only person with access to a voice browser, and it has been my experience that most anyone else's machine runs better than mine, so consider this post-script a punt... pps: this was composed sometime early in february, don't remember exactly when... i'm still mostly offline, but periodically am able to download large globs of email, the processing of which is slow going... apologies to all, especially the chair, for not communicating that i would be unavailable for the foreseeable future, but that's one of the problems with being unavailable... -------------------------------------------------------- He that lives on Hope, dies farting -- Benjamin Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanack, 1763 -------------------------------------------------------- Gregory J. Rosmaita <unagi69@concentric.net> WebMaster and Minister of Propaganda, VICUG NYC <http://www.hicom.net/~oedipus/vicug/index.html> --------------------------------------------------------
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